Oh well they don't call for violence but i admit they are an annoyance

yeah, that would probably be good

Lmao

You do realise cockroaches scurry away from the light don't you??

Yeah so?

would you say that in a way that's not a metaphor? I am small brain

We can't exterminate Nazi's no matter how we try identitfy and kick them off when you find them

that's a bit too abstract for me too

@methdragon we already agreed that different types of societies in different stages of stability would be less likely to have fascists appear

Yes I was responding to brakes comment

Cockroaches scurry aways form light means - he means if we drive away Nazis we will just push them more inwards and can't find them

Well, the best way to ensure that certain ways of thinking will flourish is to push them further and further underground. Having things exposed in the public space, on social media and elsewhere actually helps, du to being able to counteract those ideologies and ways of thinking. Push people underground, and you'll just get further extremes

that's not really accurate

as far-right ideas have become mainstreamed, they've only grown

I think one of the reasons is because of trump

Also Obama?

talking with them has failed massively, see far-right nationalists elected in the americas and all over europe

You know, it depends on where you're coming from, if you're left leaning, you're much more likely to think people on the right are "far-right"

their platform is infectious and has only grown from being exposed and debated

Heck far left thinks being left is right

Engaging and discussing with the far right grows their platform?

That says a lot.

yes

there are many reasons for this happening but the fact of the matter is, talking to them does grow their platform, absolutely

or, more realistically, talking to them in public is what I mean

because no matter how thoroughly you debunk them or dismantle their reasoning, they fundamentally rely on emotional appeals and dogwhistles

I think if we talk to them and expose how much of their ideas sounds like shit we could do it

and those strategies work very well on the general population

I completely disagree, for one, who exactly are we saying is far-right? If what you mean is, the more right leaning commentators that appear, the more the left can label as "far-right" then I'd agree

No?

@PerformedShelf by far-right I mean "more nationalist, racist, and reactionary than the previous decade's status quo"

The point is to change their mind

For that I think we should engage in debate

private debate can be effective

That's the problem with the left they don't engage in debate

Status-quo is subjective, to a left leaning progressive who has had those ideologies in power, anything to the contrary would be "far-right" by those standards

@methdragon for engaging the fascists specifically, it is not worthless to talk to them, but publically broadcasting their ideas spreads them

Because if we have an audience the debate is not productive at all

@PerformedShelf in general, status quo of the past decade is global neoliberal capitalism

but nobody wants to be convinced on a public stage, and fascists are very adept at using any platform
even when they """lose""" the debate, they get their emotional message across

We can argue how the discussion is going to be setup