@PerformedShelf I never said it was unjustified or malicious ethno-nationalism, but it simply is.

methdragon did

@methdragon yeah, that's stupid

if you oppose trying to mix people who want to throw Gays off rooftops with people who support gay marriage, without making them all obey a law that says "don't throw people off rooftops", you are now a ethno-nationalist?

It is not ethno-nationalism, because you are not against the immigration that has already occurred, etho-nationalisation would be to remove by force those who are not of a particular nationalyity

@Grenade123 I'm not sure what you're trying to say; I couldn't even parse that message. Could you say it more simply? I'm small brained.

The reason why I am saying is because America as a country values individualism highly and any society that doesn't follow it will not be compatibile and that's it's ok to restrict immigrants

@PerformedShelf I don't think so, it's a different level of ethno-nationalism but still a similar ideal

@methdragon yeah, that's a pretty shit idea in my opinion

How so?

well, for example, the US is an unfounded colonial state in the first place, and thus should be abolished and have no power over who passes through the region or not

You're clearly wrong on that point, an ethno-state is a country with one ethnicity, hence the Aryan race that Hitler wanted to establish as the ruling and rightful ethinicity of Germany. A multi-ethnic country cannot be an ethno-state, and its people cannot be ethno-nationalists

thank christ none of yall will ever have any power

Then this kind of logic should be applied to every country in the world

@methdragon Yes

Do you any country formed peacefully

@methdragon No, all states are unfounded

We should just go back 500 years

Why do you think so?

Because

The concept of US is like you said formed under colonisation

You can't unravel it

@PerformedShelf I think it's reasonable to say "non-retroactive" ethno-nationalism is still that, but I get what you're saying that it's a different phenomenon

@methdragon I'm not really sure what you're trying to say.

You are navigating the sea of history with a moral compass that you obtained today

I am trying to say that is not valid solution or an argument

It has nothing to do with ethno-nationalism, and you're refusing to budge on the idea that those who arent against rampant unchecked immigration arent actually racist xenophobic ethno-nationalists

Stating that all modern societies are unfounded and evil is not a valid solution to the argument?

i think that's a great solution

How would you go back?

@methdragon who said anything about going back?

@PerformedShelf I would say that based on how I define the word, I probably wouldn't budge on that lol; ethno-nationalism is the idea that nations should restrict who is allowed to enter the nation based on race or origin, which fits what you're saying

You said this
>well, for example, the US is an unfounded colonial state in the first place, and thus should be abolished and have no power over who passes through the region or not

Yes, I said that

@xmrsmoothx " if one is opposed to the progressivism of multi-racial society and border deregulation, it is ethno-nationalism"

current progressive seems to treat all cultures as equal, and to be against part of another culture, that is at odds with yours, as bad. It also views forcing immigrants, people want to move to your country, to adopt your culture to live there as also bad. There are some countries with a culture that involves seeing gay people as abominations worth of death still. IF you oppose an immigrate trying to throw a gay person off a roof, you are opposing progressive as it currently is standing, because it cannot (currently) separate culture from race (which, ironically, is actually an ethno-nationalist tenant). So, if you are oppose to gays being thrown off roofs, and think hurting people is bad, especially if its because they are gay, then you are now, to some degree, opposed to progressivism. That would, by your statement, make them an ethno-nationalist.

Abolish is the word I am refuting to

@methdragon "abolish" doesn't mean "rewind"

I understand I could've worded it better

What would be your solution smooth?

People are tribalistic

America and it's values hold individualism high