@methdragon yeah, that's a pretty shit idea in my opinion

How so?

well, for example, the US is an unfounded colonial state in the first place, and thus should be abolished and have no power over who passes through the region or not

You're clearly wrong on that point, an ethno-state is a country with one ethnicity, hence the Aryan race that Hitler wanted to establish as the ruling and rightful ethinicity of Germany. A multi-ethnic country cannot be an ethno-state, and its people cannot be ethno-nationalists

thank christ none of yall will ever have any power

Then this kind of logic should be applied to every country in the world

@methdragon Yes

Do you any country formed peacefully

@methdragon No, all states are unfounded

We should just go back 500 years

Why do you think so?

Because

The concept of US is like you said formed under colonisation

You can't unravel it

@PerformedShelf I think it's reasonable to say "non-retroactive" ethno-nationalism is still that, but I get what you're saying that it's a different phenomenon

@methdragon I'm not really sure what you're trying to say.

You are navigating the sea of history with a moral compass that you obtained today

I am trying to say that is not valid solution or an argument

It has nothing to do with ethno-nationalism, and you're refusing to budge on the idea that those who arent against rampant unchecked immigration arent actually racist xenophobic ethno-nationalists

Stating that all modern societies are unfounded and evil is not a valid solution to the argument?

i think that's a great solution

How would you go back?

@methdragon who said anything about going back?

@PerformedShelf I would say that based on how I define the word, I probably wouldn't budge on that lol; ethno-nationalism is the idea that nations should restrict who is allowed to enter the nation based on race or origin, which fits what you're saying

You said this
>well, for example, the US is an unfounded colonial state in the first place, and thus should be abolished and have no power over who passes through the region or not

Yes, I said that

@xmrsmoothx " if one is opposed to the progressivism of multi-racial society and border deregulation, it is ethno-nationalism"

current progressive seems to treat all cultures as equal, and to be against part of another culture, that is at odds with yours, as bad. It also views forcing immigrants, people want to move to your country, to adopt your culture to live there as also bad. There are some countries with a culture that involves seeing gay people as abominations worth of death still. IF you oppose an immigrate trying to throw a gay person off a roof, you are opposing progressive as it currently is standing, because it cannot (currently) separate culture from race (which, ironically, is actually an ethno-nationalist tenant). So, if you are oppose to gays being thrown off roofs, and think hurting people is bad, especially if its because they are gay, then you are now, to some degree, opposed to progressivism. That would, by your statement, make them an ethno-nationalist.

Abolish is the word I am refuting to

@methdragon "abolish" doesn't mean "rewind"

I understand I could've worded it better

What would be your solution smooth?

People are tribalistic

America and it's values hold individualism high

@xmrsmoothx Maybe you should ascribe to their actual definitions, so as not to inadvertently label anyone who is for controlling immigration as a Nazi? There are millions of people who are absolutely fine with immigration of people from any race or origin who are pragmatic enough to realise that it takes many years for any number of immigrants to integrate properly, and that it might be prudent to restrict immigration after a period of influx.

One Big Tribe

It won't work

@Grenade123 I'm not sure what to tell you other than "progressivism of multi-racial society and border-deregulating " does not mean "accepting all individuals or cultures as exactly identical in worth"

Immigrants who are individualistic can immigrate well

@methdragon violently overthrow all states and establish a workers' society

what workers?

If there is more immigration to america there will be more identity politics