Message from @methdragon
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The point is to change their mind
For that I think we should engage in debate
private debate can be effective
That's the problem with the left they don't engage in debate
Status-quo is subjective, to a left leaning progressive who has had those ideologies in power, anything to the contrary would be "far-right" by those standards
@methdragon for engaging the fascists specifically, it is not worthless to talk to them, but publically broadcasting their ideas spreads them
Because if we have an audience the debate is not productive at all
@PerformedShelf in general, status quo of the past decade is global neoliberal capitalism
but nobody wants to be convinced on a public stage, and fascists are very adept at using any platform
even when they """lose""" the debate, they get their emotional message across
We can argue how the discussion is going to be setup
Like the intelligence squared format
But I understand your arguments
Fascicts do tend to their emotional message across
their message, even if factually wrong, appeals very effectively to general population, who don't really think very deeply about what they believe
Progressivism is the opposite of conservatism, and therefore when conservative ideas are being discussed, they are in conflict and opposition to progressive ones. Being opposed to certain kinds of progressivism does not make you an ethno-nationalist
@PerformedShelf it necessarily does; if one is opposed to the progressivism of multi-racial society and border deregulation, it is ethno-nationalism
Are you against nationalism smooth?
that is the very basis of what ethno-nationalism is
absolutely 👍🏽
What if a country is already diverse
What does diversity have to do with it?
Define "diversity" for heck's sake, if you're going to use the word
No, because what is conservative today is what was progressive yesterday, by it's nature there are conservative thinkers who are for immigration, but are against the rampant unchecked influx of immigration due to the impracticalities and racial tensions it causes
Ethno means a particular group of ethnicity right?
@PerformedShelf "but are against the rampant unchecked influx of immigration due to the impracticalities and racial tensions it causes" this a component of ethno-nationalism
Diversity - different culture, different physical features,different languages and religions existing peacefully in a country or a society
@methdragon so what are you trying to say with regards to diversity and nationalism?
Taking pride in your country and trying to preserve it's cultures is ok
no
so now if someone is opposed to progressivism, they are an ethno-nationalist who should be thrown in jail? i think i'm being confused by layers of sarcasm here.
@Atkins I don't think I ever mentioned "should"s or "jail"
so... no?
The increase in those tensions is simply fact, it takes generations of willing people to integrate into a society, and allowing those issues to rise will be the downfall of actual community
I meant to say if a country is diverse let's say like America and they don't want to have a lot of immigrants I think it's ok
@PerformedShelf I never said it was unjustified or malicious ethno-nationalism, but it simply is.
methdragon did
@methdragon yeah, that's stupid
if you oppose trying to mix people who want to throw Gays off rooftops with people who support gay marriage, without making them all obey a law that says "don't throw people off rooftops", you are now a ethno-nationalist?
It is not ethno-nationalism, because you are not against the immigration that has already occurred, etho-nationalisation would be to remove by force those who are not of a particular nationalyity
@Grenade123 I'm not sure what you're trying to say; I couldn't even parse that message. Could you say it more simply? I'm small brained.