I completely disagree, for one, who exactly are we saying is far-right? If what you mean is, the more right leaning commentators that appear, the more the left can label as "far-right" then I'd agree

No?

@PerformedShelf by far-right I mean "more nationalist, racist, and reactionary than the previous decade's status quo"

The point is to change their mind

For that I think we should engage in debate

private debate can be effective

That's the problem with the left they don't engage in debate

Status-quo is subjective, to a left leaning progressive who has had those ideologies in power, anything to the contrary would be "far-right" by those standards

@methdragon for engaging the fascists specifically, it is not worthless to talk to them, but publically broadcasting their ideas spreads them

Because if we have an audience the debate is not productive at all

@PerformedShelf in general, status quo of the past decade is global neoliberal capitalism

but nobody wants to be convinced on a public stage, and fascists are very adept at using any platform
even when they """lose""" the debate, they get their emotional message across

We can argue how the discussion is going to be setup

Like the intelligence squared format

But I understand your arguments

Fascicts do tend to their emotional message across

their message, even if factually wrong, appeals very effectively to general population, who don't really think very deeply about what they believe

Progressivism is the opposite of conservatism, and therefore when conservative ideas are being discussed, they are in conflict and opposition to progressive ones. Being opposed to certain kinds of progressivism does not make you an ethno-nationalist

@PerformedShelf it necessarily does; if one is opposed to the progressivism of multi-racial society and border deregulation, it is ethno-nationalism

Are you against nationalism smooth?

that is the very basis of what ethno-nationalism is

absolutely 👍🏽

What if a country is already diverse

And if they have nationalism

What does diversity have to do with it?

Define "diversity" for heck's sake, if you're going to use the word

No, because what is conservative today is what was progressive yesterday, by it's nature there are conservative thinkers who are for immigration, but are against the rampant unchecked influx of immigration due to the impracticalities and racial tensions it causes

Ethno means a particular group of ethnicity right?

@PerformedShelf "but are against the rampant unchecked influx of immigration due to the impracticalities and racial tensions it causes" this a component of ethno-nationalism

Diversity - different culture, different physical features,different languages and religions existing peacefully in a country or a society

@methdragon so what are you trying to say with regards to diversity and nationalism?

Taking pride in your country and trying to preserve it's cultures is ok

no

so now if someone is opposed to progressivism, they are an ethno-nationalist who should be thrown in jail? i think i'm being confused by layers of sarcasm here.

@Atkins I don't think I ever mentioned "should"s or "jail"

so... no?

The increase in those tensions is simply fact, it takes generations of willing people to integrate into a society, and allowing those issues to rise will be the downfall of actual community

I meant to say if a country is diverse let's say like America and they don't want to have a lot of immigrants I think it's ok

@PerformedShelf I never said it was unjustified or malicious ethno-nationalism, but it simply is.

methdragon did

@methdragon yeah, that's stupid