Message from @DrYuriMom

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2018-10-30 21:27:39 UTC  

Short answer yes.

2018-10-30 21:29:31 UTC  

I firmly believe you can have a a capitalistic free market encompassing tax funded single payer health care system without overtaxing the population.

2018-10-30 21:31:55 UTC  

But we see nations with a mixed system of government and private financing doing a better job on much less. Japan has the highest life expectancy and lowest infant mortality in the world and yet they spend 2/3 on health care as the US. Germany has some similar stats.

2018-10-30 21:32:45 UTC  

So V, you support something like the ACA which provides for universal coverage?

2018-10-30 21:33:18 UTC  

I mean per capita

2018-10-30 21:33:43 UTC  

You spoke of insurance, though.

2018-10-30 21:33:59 UTC  

Yes, it is.

2018-10-30 21:34:19 UTC  

With subsidies to assist those of lesser means to obtain it.

2018-10-30 21:34:26 UTC  

I'll just say, population will make it cheaper. Economies of scale.

2018-10-30 21:34:35 UTC  

The ACA is based on a Republican model.

2018-10-30 21:35:19 UTC  

But we're bigger than Japan and German but spend half again per capita for worse results

2018-10-30 21:36:36 UTC  

The ACA provides for people to spend no more than 10% of their income on an actuarial basis on health care up to a certain point. the biggest flaw of the ACA was that the point chosen was not high enough.

2018-10-30 21:38:05 UTC  

Japan = 2 deaths per 1000 live births

2018-10-30 21:38:32 UTC  

US - 5.87 infant deaths per 1000 live births

2018-10-30 21:39:31 UTC  

Yes, that is true

2018-10-30 21:39:37 UTC  

And the US has an obesity epidemic

2018-10-30 21:39:44 UTC  

I totally agree with this

2018-10-30 21:39:52 UTC  

But we still spend a lot for poor results

2018-10-30 21:41:30 UTC  

But these same people you are speaking of, will they accept a system that doesn't do everything possible to save their lives when they are sick?

2018-10-30 21:42:41 UTC  

So what is the best solution for us to give the people what they want with as few unintended consequences as possible?

2018-10-30 21:42:58 UTC  

Anything else is an ivory tower exercise

2018-10-30 21:43:31 UTC  

Okay, and how do we achieve that in a representative democracy where people don't like being told things they do not want to hear?

2018-10-30 21:43:53 UTC  

Yes Ayn Rand πŸ˜‰

2018-10-30 21:44:11 UTC  

Nice to meet you, Atlas

2018-10-30 21:45:05 UTC  

Lack of a healthy free open and _fair_ market, in many sectors jack up the prices. Example the insurance market is dominated by one company. AIG carries directly or re-insures ~65% of all Americans. In europe there is an open market for insurance called Lloyds of London, where insurance companies reinsure. They same can be said about front line health care service providers, and sub-suppliers. Example given. American have two producers of saline solutions. One of the had problems this spring. This resulted in FDA temporarily approve european produced saline solutions to American market. Where the market price is twice that.
If USA introduced the same single payer system that there is in my Scandinavian country, the price per capita would tripple.

2018-10-30 21:45:07 UTC  

Anyway I gotta go to the orthodontist for a bit. Gotta love braces at 47 years old. I hope to talk more with you πŸ˜ƒ

2018-10-30 21:45:38 UTC  

Stay safe πŸ˜ƒ

2018-10-30 21:52:34 UTC  

YT playlist describing some countries different health care systems
<https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLkfBg8ML-gIngk82SUbTp6Og_KkYfJ6oF>

2018-10-30 21:53:40 UTC  

Very cool, thanks

2018-10-30 21:55:25 UTC  

I have when people go "look, this place does it, we can do it to". It's just like "yes, while we are at it, let's import the same population, hope the system scales well, also have only their genetics, their work ethic, and have another country support our national defense."

2018-10-30 21:55:47 UTC  

Too many variables, way too risky

2018-10-30 21:57:43 UTC  

I would like to send my municipality’s engineers to USA for a study trip, so they learn how to design car friendly intersections

2018-10-30 21:58:45 UTC  

I agree small stuff is easy to transplant. It is difficult to transplant whole complex systems

2018-10-30 22:02:49 UTC  

Car friendly intersections?

2018-10-30 22:03:02 UTC  

What kind of cars? Because American cars are massive

2018-10-30 22:03:08 UTC  

Yeah, stuff like roundabouts and clover intersections.

2018-10-30 22:03:24 UTC  

Those don't exist in America

2018-10-30 22:03:31 UTC  

What?