Message from @Grenade123

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2018-11-02 15:19:15 UTC  

well and we are back to the idea of life.

2018-11-02 15:19:32 UTC  

I already explained that

2018-11-02 15:19:49 UTC  

Let me explain the contract in simple terms

2018-11-02 15:20:17 UTC  

if you don't believe life begins until later in pregnancy, then it would be responsible to continue with the possibility of life if it meant the child would end up being born into suffering and cause a drain on everyone.

2018-11-02 15:20:23 UTC  

"You here by agree that by having sex, you agree to any baby that may be created by it."

2018-11-02 15:20:59 UTC  

A baby is created on conception

2018-11-02 15:21:11 UTC  

I said so earlier

2018-11-02 15:21:48 UTC  

well thats your believe. I don't believe such a contract trumps rights to a persons body, specifically if there was attempts made to prevent that outcome.

2018-11-02 15:21:57 UTC  

at least until a life is involved

2018-11-02 15:22:30 UTC  

So, if you accept that a human life is created at conception, Grenade, then you would accept that the child's right to live trumps the mother's right to bodily autonomy?

2018-11-02 15:22:32 UTC  

life

/līf/

noun

1.

the condition that distinguishes animals and plants from inorganic matter, including the capacity for growth, reproduction, functional activity, and continual change preceding death.

"the origins of life"

synonyms:existence, being, living, animation;More

2.

the existence of an individual human being or animal.

2018-11-02 15:22:52 UTC  

That DNA in the mother exists

2018-11-02 15:23:11 UTC  

It is similar to the mother but not her at the same time

2018-11-02 15:23:18 UTC  

very good, do all human cells have the same right as me?

2018-11-02 15:23:24 UTC  

all human cells are living

2018-11-02 15:23:50 UTC  

and an individual is debatable. if i cut off my arm, while it is still alive, does it have the same right to live as me?

2018-11-02 15:24:16 UTC  

A cell is not an individual

2018-11-02 15:24:27 UTC  

That bundle of separate DNA is

2018-11-02 15:24:41 UTC  

its half me

2018-11-02 15:24:53 UTC  

But half is not fully you?

2018-11-02 15:25:00 UTC  

does it have half rights then?

2018-11-02 15:25:28 UTC  

Becuase it is not you, you have no say over it once it begins to exist

2018-11-02 15:25:58 UTC  

So neither parent could agree to terminate it

2018-11-02 15:26:18 UTC  

Since they are not combined into one entity

2018-11-02 15:26:39 UTC  

Unlike the fertilized egg

2018-11-02 15:26:59 UTC  

Which while similar in DNA is not the same as either

2018-11-02 15:27:42 UTC  

but it has the rights to take and potential damn our bodies

2018-11-02 15:27:58 UTC  

And sperm or egg cells are still you, becuase it doesnt hsve different DNA inside it

2018-11-02 15:28:07 UTC  

and we no longer have the rights to defend against it

2018-11-02 15:28:30 UTC  

Yes, that is the contract at which you agreed

2018-11-02 15:28:41 UTC  

My basic premise.

2018-11-02 15:28:49 UTC  

Dont fuck = no kid

2018-11-02 15:29:03 UTC  

Fuck = responsibility

2018-11-02 15:29:03 UTC  

thats the easy solution, obviously

2018-11-02 15:29:58 UTC  

And your rights are out weighed by contracts

2018-11-02 15:30:04 UTC  

but here we move on to the second set of problems: a person in a vegetative state, is that human life?

2018-11-02 15:30:07 UTC  

Wait wait wait... We talking about abortion?

2018-11-02 15:30:19 UTC  

technically talking about what is considered human life with full rights

2018-11-02 15:30:37 UTC  

and where that line is

2018-11-02 15:30:45 UTC  

life

/līf/

noun

1.

the condition that distinguishes animals and plants from inorganic matter, including the capacity for growth, reproduction, functional activity, and continual change preceding death.

"the origins of life"

synonyms:existence, being, living, animation;More

2.

the existence of an individual human being or animal.

2018-11-02 15:30:51 UTC  

I'd say independent nervous systems