Message from @Grenade123

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2018-11-02 15:16:16 UTC  

If you agree to any term of service, you are to uphold it

2018-11-02 15:16:27 UTC  

now there is a problem, contracts between people need both people to consent, and the baby can't consent

2018-11-02 15:16:29 UTC  

Breaking that, leads to prison

2018-11-02 15:16:34 UTC  

technically that is an invalid contract

2018-11-02 15:17:14 UTC  

this doesn't necessarily give the mother the right to kill the baby

2018-11-02 15:17:21 UTC  

I mean if anyone was stupid enough to sign their life away I guess

2018-11-02 15:17:49 UTC  

My point being that sex is like signing that contract

2018-11-02 15:17:57 UTC  

with who?

2018-11-02 15:18:05 UTC  

the baby literally was not present

2018-11-02 15:18:11 UTC  

If the father and mother have sex

2018-11-02 15:18:14 UTC  

could not be present

2018-11-02 15:18:23 UTC  

so who is the contract with?

2018-11-02 15:18:32 UTC  

You both sign a contract of responsibility if the girl gets pregnant

2018-11-02 15:19:15 UTC  

well and we are back to the idea of life.

2018-11-02 15:19:32 UTC  

I already explained that

2018-11-02 15:19:49 UTC  

Let me explain the contract in simple terms

2018-11-02 15:20:17 UTC  

if you don't believe life begins until later in pregnancy, then it would be responsible to continue with the possibility of life if it meant the child would end up being born into suffering and cause a drain on everyone.

2018-11-02 15:20:23 UTC  

"You here by agree that by having sex, you agree to any baby that may be created by it."

2018-11-02 15:20:59 UTC  

A baby is created on conception

2018-11-02 15:21:11 UTC  

I said so earlier

2018-11-02 15:21:48 UTC  

well thats your believe. I don't believe such a contract trumps rights to a persons body, specifically if there was attempts made to prevent that outcome.

2018-11-02 15:21:57 UTC  

at least until a life is involved

2018-11-02 15:22:30 UTC  

So, if you accept that a human life is created at conception, Grenade, then you would accept that the child's right to live trumps the mother's right to bodily autonomy?

2018-11-02 15:22:32 UTC  

life

/līf/

noun

1.

the condition that distinguishes animals and plants from inorganic matter, including the capacity for growth, reproduction, functional activity, and continual change preceding death.

"the origins of life"

synonyms:existence, being, living, animation;More

2.

the existence of an individual human being or animal.

2018-11-02 15:22:52 UTC  

That DNA in the mother exists

2018-11-02 15:23:11 UTC  

It is similar to the mother but not her at the same time

2018-11-02 15:23:18 UTC  

very good, do all human cells have the same right as me?

2018-11-02 15:23:24 UTC  

all human cells are living

2018-11-02 15:23:50 UTC  

and an individual is debatable. if i cut off my arm, while it is still alive, does it have the same right to live as me?

2018-11-02 15:24:16 UTC  

A cell is not an individual

2018-11-02 15:24:27 UTC  

That bundle of separate DNA is

2018-11-02 15:24:41 UTC  

its half me

2018-11-02 15:24:53 UTC  

But half is not fully you?

2018-11-02 15:25:00 UTC  

does it have half rights then?

2018-11-02 15:25:28 UTC  

Becuase it is not you, you have no say over it once it begins to exist

2018-11-02 15:25:58 UTC  

So neither parent could agree to terminate it

2018-11-02 15:26:18 UTC  

Since they are not combined into one entity

2018-11-02 15:26:39 UTC  

Unlike the fertilized egg

2018-11-02 15:26:59 UTC  

Which while similar in DNA is not the same as either

2018-11-02 15:27:42 UTC  

but it has the rights to take and potential damn our bodies

2018-11-02 15:27:58 UTC  

And sperm or egg cells are still you, becuase it doesnt hsve different DNA inside it