Message from @DrYuriMom

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2018-11-04 06:51:35 UTC  

Also, not many know, but Eugene Volokh had actually started out as a computer scientist and later switched to law.

2018-11-04 06:52:08 UTC  

I highly recommend the incredibly articulate amicus brief he has written.

2018-11-04 08:07:30 UTC  

Volokh Conspiracy has more citations in court (citations meaning people using his work and citing him as a reference, not him getting in trouble with the law) than some top legal journals. If you read Volokh Conspiracy, you're often getting real legal opinions that can often float around the Supreme Court. Volokh et al. are very solid legal scholars and incredible people who have helped a lot of people better understand the law and dedicate their work to be publicly available for the layperson to understand. A true treasure and worthwhile reading for anyone with even a cursory interest in law or politics.

2018-11-04 08:24:24 UTC  

Absolutely agree with that.

2018-11-04 16:24:50 UTC  

@Stefan Payne - I have an alternate take on this

2018-11-04 16:25:33 UTC  

As the law is written currently, the US cannot draft a woman for military duty, either. Does that mean women are no longer citizens?

2018-11-04 16:26:01 UTC  

there is a very simple legal challenge to the selective service act thanks to obama

2018-11-04 16:26:05 UTC  

There is nothing in the Constitution that would preclude the drafting of anyone within our borders

2018-11-04 16:26:11 UTC  

could be overturned in a week or two

2018-11-04 16:26:22 UTC  

We could draft illegal aliens if we wanted to

2018-11-04 16:26:27 UTC  

#draftourdaughters

2018-11-04 16:26:40 UTC  

Not sure if we would want to, but nothing in the Constitution stops us

2018-11-04 16:26:54 UTC  

why not?

2018-11-04 16:27:08 UTC  

why wouldn't you want to give these women the same responsibilities as men?

2018-11-04 16:27:29 UTC  

Illegal aliens are under the jurisdiction of our laws. Anyone *except a foreign national on diplomatic duty and therefore given diplomatic immunity* is under our laws while they are here

2018-11-04 16:28:10 UTC  

That's the reason why the children of diplomats born here are not considered citizens - because they have diplomatic immunity

2018-11-04 16:28:14 UTC  

i would guess that their home countries with outstanding tax debts would claim differently.

2018-11-04 16:30:15 UTC  

As far as women and the selective service, I honestly believe we need to decide to either include women or ditch the law as it current stands. I have more thoughts on the development of "a well regulated militia" as described in the Second Amendment, but that would be a complicated debate and one I have not the time for right now.

2018-11-04 16:30:54 UTC  

If women want equality, they should want it in all things, that means being drafted to die in wars

2018-11-04 16:31:19 UTC  

We haven't drafted anyone since 1972

2018-11-04 16:31:19 UTC  

but they don't want that, they want men to continue to die for them

2018-11-04 16:31:31 UTC  

if i owe the feds 50k in back taxes and scupper off to thailand, they aren't going to say i'm no longer subject to US law because i am not physically present.

with respect to selective service, i expect that lots and lots of erstwhile feminists would suddenly feel a traditionalist twinge if they were handed draft cards

2018-11-04 16:32:10 UTC  

Atkins, you can be subject to the laws of multiple nations at the same time

2018-11-04 16:32:25 UTC  

the 'subject to the jurisdiction thereof' was a reference to indian tribes that hadn't yet been subjugated at the time of ratification.

2018-11-04 16:32:52 UTC  

At least three nations easily. A Japanese born in Canada visiting the US would be under three different jurisdictions at the same time

2018-11-04 16:33:00 UTC  

of course they would, they aren't chanting for equality in selective service

2018-11-04 16:33:05 UTC  

i disagree that you can be subject to the laws of multiple nations

2018-11-04 16:33:16 UTC  

or many of the other things that favor them

2018-11-04 16:33:19 UTC  

i certainly disagree that you can be expected to pay income taxes to multiple nations

2018-11-04 16:33:50 UTC  

If I am the example you give, if i visit Thailand I am still under US law related to things like taxes and raping a minor but if i deal drugs Thailand will still execute me.

2018-11-04 16:34:03 UTC  

if i am a legal pakistani immigrant to the United States and say "fuck mohammed", i am not subject to execution for blasphemy

2018-11-04 16:34:09 UTC  

But people ARE expected to pay income taxes to multiple nations

2018-11-04 16:34:43 UTC  

If as a US expatriate I live in the EU and make enough money, I pay taxes to both the US *and* the country I work in

2018-11-04 16:34:54 UTC  

if i'm in thailand and the US wants back taxes they can suck a dick. they ain't getting them. they do not have jurisdiction.

2018-11-04 16:35:05 UTC  

Actually, they do

2018-11-04 16:35:20 UTC  

if you ever came back to US you'd prolly have to pay your taxes

2018-11-04 16:35:21 UTC  

in practical terms, no.

2018-11-04 16:35:29 UTC  

but if you stayed out the country you'd get away with it

2018-11-04 16:35:46 UTC  

I almost took a job internationally and the US absolutely does claim taxes on foreign income

2018-11-04 16:35:47 UTC  

if you ever came back. then you would be subject to the jurisdiction of the US. the jurisdiction of the US does not extend to thailand.