My gut solution would be to turn the reservations into states with their own constitutions but function in a way at least similar to a regular state.

That is how they are already handled, @Dvir

Reservations are ruled by tribes and they have greater autonomy in many regards than a state.

Tribes are under the authority of the Federal govt but not any state. They have constitutions.

The issue is that most tribes signed away thier resource rights to the Federal govt in thier treaties with the understanding that the Feds would manage them "in the tribe's interests"

What could possibly go wrong with that? /s

Ah, here we are.

I think I am starting to understand. In such a scenario the best case the resources are managed by the feds and the wealth given to the tribe, but even in such a case you are creating a dependency on the federal government and you keep the tribe trapped in such a state.

Yup

Senator Jacob Howard, a drafter of the 14th amendment: "This will not, of course, include persons born in the United States who are foreigners, aliens, who belong to the families of ambassadors or foreign ministers accredited to the Government of the United States, but will include every other class of persons."

The relationship between the Federal govt and the tribe's has always been extremely paternalistic. The "great white father".

In the records of Senate discussions on the 14th amendment, recorded in The Congressional Globe, May 30th, 1866.

I've been told that the quote has had commas attached

http://memory.loc.gov/cgi-bin/ampage?collId=llcg&fileName=073/llcg073.db&recNum=11.

I'm not at my PC or I'd try to pull up an actual quote

The Lawmakers said that it was never intended to be used with foreign people, the 14th is for Slaves, not for Illegal Aliens

The original source, in its entirety, you may peruse the entire context at your leisure, when you're able to.

Again, I dispute the comma after "aliens"

Unfortunately, voice recording technology was limited in the 1860's.

Its a misuse and abuse of the Original Intend that we have here. And the Supreme Court ruled at least twice. You really should watch the Justicar Video I've posted!
At one point he said "we lower court judges", so he might be a judge and know it better than we do.

Print is all we have.

So if our interpretation is so wrong how has it lasted for 150 years with a trail of precedent all through that time? This is not a new issue.

because it wasn't really an issue until recently, because the immigration act of ~1964 or so....

And again, if you were willing to remove illegals from US jurisdiction, I think it'd pass muster.

I...I'm not sure what you mean.

Its the fucking job of the Gouvernment to remove illegal aliens.

But as long as they are subject to US law, I really think we're stuck

as its the job of Security hired by a company to remove illegal entrys.

Illegals don't need to be removed from US jurisdiction. They are not under US jurisdiction in the first place.

As long as we can try an illegal for murder, they are in our jurisdiction

If we grant illegals diplomatic immunity like we do embassy staff then problem solved

That could be done by treaty

I don't understand. Do we not prosecute foreign nationals for crimes done to American people or property?

And a treaty, as ratified by the Senate, becomes part of the constitution

there is no problem. you are creating the problem through needless legalese.

@DrYuriMom What do you say about the Children born by Diplomats in the US?
If we follow your logic, they should be US Citizens, right?

they are not citizens. they are not residents. they are not tourists. they are not natives. they have no legal status, except as fucking invaders.

would you think it rational to either a) put a viking raider on trial or b) give them immunity? no. you'd just kill them or drive them off and have done with it.

No, Stefan. Diplomat children are specifically the *only* children not covered by the 14th

```there is no problem. you are creating the problem through needless legalese.```
There is a Problem. When you take the "are Indians White" Case, it would mean that the Citzienship of all illegaly born here could be revoked, wich means that tens of millions of people could be deportet and loose their Citizenship. that IS a Problem.

And foreigners, even with your current comma quibble.