Message from @Bookworm

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2018-11-05 00:53:44 UTC  

```there is no problem. you are creating the problem through needless legalese.```
There is a Problem. When you take the "are Indians White" Case, it would mean that the Citzienship of all illegaly born here could be revoked, wich means that tens of millions of people could be deportet and loose their Citizenship. that IS a Problem.

2018-11-05 00:53:56 UTC  

And foreigners, even with your current comma quibble.

2018-11-05 00:54:11 UTC  

that's not a problem to me

2018-11-05 00:54:19 UTC  

```No, Stefan. Diplomat children are specifically the only children not covered by the 14th```
And why is there a difference in your argument between Diplomats and Illegal Aliens?
Both are not considered to be residents of the US.

2018-11-05 00:54:22 UTC  

Unless *all* the commas are wrong.

2018-11-05 00:54:57 UTC  

if your parents stole something and gave it to you, you don't get to keep it.

2018-11-05 00:55:08 UTC  

Atkins, my ancestors came to Virginia in the 1640s. They didn't have a visa. So I'm an illegal?

2018-11-05 00:55:20 UTC  

right of conquest

2018-11-05 00:55:27 UTC  

Uh huh

2018-11-05 00:55:45 UTC  

Speaking of stealing

2018-11-05 00:55:48 UTC  

and unless you want to grant right of conquest to the entire god damned planet maybe we shouldn't lose like the natives did

2018-11-05 00:56:17 UTC  

Then perhaps we need to pass another amendment

2018-11-05 00:56:19 UTC  

Cat, it's highly disingenuous to compare the incredibly decentralized and in feuding Native American tribes to the United States government.

2018-11-05 00:56:27 UTC  

I didn't

2018-11-05 00:57:18 UTC  

Then I don't understand. Why do you contest the legality of your citizenship?

2018-11-05 00:57:26 UTC  

Stefan, diplomats are not subject to US laws. That are not in our jurisdiction.

2018-11-05 00:58:02 UTC  

I don't contest the legality of my citizenship. Under the 14th I was born here. I'm a citizen.

2018-11-05 00:58:16 UTC  

Were your parents United States citizens?

2018-11-05 00:58:55 UTC  

Yes. And going back to the 1640's I can trace my ancestry in Virgina.

2018-11-05 00:59:00 UTC  

Watch the god damn video, Cat!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QHNp8MAaNBM

2018-11-05 00:59:16 UTC  

Okay. So then it doesn't even involve the 14th amendment, Cat.

2018-11-05 00:59:18 UTC  

He did an analysis and cites everything you need to know.

2018-11-05 00:59:24 UTC  

I'd have to look up the specific law, but it's much older.

2018-11-05 00:59:46 UTC  

But if you take the 14th away, how far back do you go?

2018-11-05 00:59:57 UTC  

The...first generation back?

2018-11-05 01:00:02 UTC  

you don't go back, you go forward

2018-11-05 01:00:05 UTC  

Your parents.

2018-11-05 01:00:19 UTC  

@DrYuriMom where exactly in 14th admentment it says that illegal aliens kids should get citizenship?

2018-11-05 01:00:20 UTC  

anyone being born from now on, must be a us citizen first

2018-11-05 01:00:27 UTC  

But what if my parents' parents were illegal?

2018-11-05 01:00:57 UTC  

Jasse, anyone under US jurisdiction and born here is a citizen

2018-11-05 01:01:19 UTC  

It's black and white to me and to 150 years of jurisprudence

2018-11-05 01:01:38 UTC  

I wasnt asking that.
I was asking where in 14th it says it?

2018-11-05 01:01:57 UTC  

the part where it says us jurisdiction

2018-11-05 01:01:58 UTC  

The first few sentences

2018-11-05 01:02:15 UTC  

"All persons born or naturalized in the United States and subject to the jurisdiction thereof..."

2018-11-05 01:02:22 UTC  
2018-11-05 01:02:50 UTC  

@Jasse literally in the first 20 words of the amendment

2018-11-05 01:04:19 UTC  

It is meant that they have a legal right to be in the US, not all on US Soil.

2018-11-05 01:04:32 UTC  

The Justicar talks about that in lenth in that Video