Message from @RyeNorth

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2018-11-10 20:11:46 UTC  

The federal powers EXPLICITLY OUTLINED IN THE CONSTITUTION.

2018-11-10 20:12:15 UTC  

All Cali is doing is refusing to use local power to enforce federal law. The feds can still do it themselves.

2018-11-10 20:12:55 UTC  

That in itself, though, is creating policy concerning immigration.

2018-11-10 20:13:19 UTC  

Oregon just voted 2/3 to 1/3 to withhold local assistance for federal enforcement of immigration law. The feds can tax. Let them pay for it.

2018-11-10 20:14:07 UTC  

Atkins, that was one individual's use of their liberty.

2018-11-10 20:14:12 UTC  

Oregon is a sideshow in that they don't have a border with Mexico.

2018-11-10 20:14:21 UTC  

I've got to head out...

2018-11-10 20:15:02 UTC  

Hasta

2018-11-10 20:15:35 UTC  

California is a sideshow too on that they don't control thier border with Mexico.

2018-11-10 20:15:41 UTC  

The feds do

2018-11-10 20:18:22 UTC  

They're aiding and abetting criminals, and enticing them with free stuff. They are complicit.

2018-11-10 20:18:44 UTC  

They are actively working to undermine the authority of the United States and are directly harming other states as a result.

2018-11-10 20:19:16 UTC  

Their mindless virtue-signalling has real world consequences.

2018-11-10 20:19:50 UTC  

I'm inclined to agree.

2018-11-10 20:20:24 UTC  

If it wasn't for the tech giants (that they're currently trying to tax into leaving), California would have long since imploded.

2018-11-10 20:20:59 UTC  

And when they implode the diaspora of illegals into neighboring states will begin.

2018-11-10 20:26:06 UTC  

Part of the problem with our strengthened federalist system is that certain states such as Cali are able to subsidize themselves at the expense of non-state residents

2018-11-10 20:27:02 UTC  

Essentially requiring states with balanced budgets and surpluses, even, to pay what amounts to foreign aid, by force.

2018-11-10 20:27:22 UTC  

So a system that works is required to support a system that doesn't.

2018-11-10 20:33:47 UTC  

With that in mind it becomes quite apparent why Californians are advocates for redistribution of wealth. Their lifestyles are already dependent on it.

2018-11-10 20:47:09 UTC  

But Cali is a doner state

2018-11-10 20:53:55 UTC  

barely. they receive $0.99 in federal funds for every dollar of federal tax.

2018-11-10 20:54:50 UTC  

<https://www.politifact.com/california/article/2017/feb/14/does-california-give-more-it-gets-dc/>
`In January 2017, the California Legislative Analyst’s Office said by several measures California is, indeed, a donor state, but just barely. It receives $0.99 in federal expenditures per dollar of taxes paid, which is below the national average return for states of $1.22 per dollar paid, according to its review of a 2015 New York Comptroller study.`

2018-11-10 20:55:54 UTC  

that's a precarious balance, based largely on the golden goose of the tech sector.

2018-11-10 20:56:44 UTC  
2018-11-10 20:57:35 UTC  

My point is that I don't see this "foreign aid" from other states

2018-11-10 20:58:34 UTC  

how do you square giant federal spending with the 10th amendment?

2018-11-10 20:58:57 UTC  

medicare, medicaid, social security, and the whole shebang

2018-11-10 20:59:18 UTC  

I stand 1 percent corrected

2018-11-10 21:38:53 UTC  

The power to tax is how it was justified.

2018-11-10 21:55:08 UTC  

If we end Social Security and Medicare what will that mean for the elderly? The two were created at different times but because the elderly were destitute.

2018-11-10 22:07:46 UTC  

Do what Milton Friedman said: convert all outstanding social security liabilities to federal bonds and end the program.

2018-11-10 22:08:00 UTC  

rip that bandaid off.

2018-11-10 22:09:12 UTC  

everyone gets what they have been promised, but new workers no longer have to pay into the system. they'll only get a bond proportional to what they've paid in.

2018-11-10 22:09:57 UTC  

couple of decades later, all the bonds will have come to term and the whole problem is solved.

2018-11-10 22:10:01 UTC  

The elderly can be cared for by friends and relatives. Failing that, they probably would end up in low-paying positions and low income housing. With their higher than average medical costs, they would most likely die younger.

2018-11-10 22:12:21 UTC  

no real need for that. with the bond conversion idea the elderly still get their money. but young workers are going to have to learn to make significant retirement savings.

2018-11-10 22:12:57 UTC  

If you arent doing that already you're in for a rude surprise

2018-11-10 22:13:01 UTC  

the whole process of weaning society off social security will probably take 30-35 years, but it'll be much less painful.

2018-11-10 22:13:16 UTC  

And what of people who cannot afford living expenses or health care in advanced age?