yet i assume thats not really whats desired, whats truely desired is absolute freedom, which you can only get without a state, and thus you also can only get in part of the world no community claims to own, true wilderness

So you force me to use the provided road, make it near illegal for me to build my own, then say I'm stealing when I don't want to pay taxes for something you are forcing me to use?

ive already stated i beleive the united states over reaches, i think you should be able to do far more than you can do in the united states with what you pay taxes for

however you could never build a road without paying for taxes, for instance you cant build a road without owning the land the road is going on

Sure you can. That just causes a bunch of other problems.

sure you can overreach yourself onto other people into the community

but i dont think grenade would agree with that either

im arguing from a hypothetical perspective of a principled state, not a perspective of the united states of american. in my opinion i don't believe someone should be able to do ANYTHING productive in the united states without being taxed (within measurable reason) however on the same hand i believe the taxes should be less and the amount of things you should be allowed to do when you are paying taxes should be massively increased

people born into a state are a problem because they didn't choose to live there, and they don't have the option to leave by default usually, unless there happens to be unclaimed land near by.

because they are born into an environment not of their own choosing and then after 18 years have to choose without any incentive by their progenitors (who usually would prefer them to remain in the environment they are born into unless they themselves fled it) to choose to stay within that environment or go to a different environment?

They don't have the choice to go to a different environment by default.

Because it's possible no other state allows them in

yep

though i would encourage more states to be open to ideological immigration

its the only form of immigration i agree with even though it to has some degree of brain drain

Unless there is unclaimed land, these people are potential trapped by the circumstances of their birth. There is also the possibility that moving far enough to get to an accepting state is just not possible.

there hasent been unclaimed land on earth for thousands of years

theres only been land that was claimed by those to weak to maintain it

except antarctica

at one time in history you did have some benefits, due to a lack of multiculturalism and genetic predisposition you were much more likely in the past to be born into an environment you were best adapted to. now that is only a higher chance but hey hindsight is twenty twenty

now you can be an african born in the arctic circle

even for creatures born into environments that they have a chance to be best suited for, some unfortunately dont live happly. i call this the "lifes not fair principle"

its unfortunate to be an antistatist when in fact the natural predisposition for humanity is to form community in order to gain protection in numbers and concentration of effort through cooperation. it thus becomes very difficult to find part of the world where you can live without being part of that due to the natural instinct of humans is to assume you are like them and thus when they see you living on your island they bring their version of "the right way" after assessing all of the defenses you have and preparing to have 100x more firepower than you when they introduce themselves

like i said, freedom doesent exist

but if you try hard enough you can get some definition of it that you can still protect yourself from other's worse definitions of it

and thus i give you the united states of america

or you could get lucky and own your own icbm with a deadman switch

i do have some sympathy, im not ignorant to the romantic nobility of man against nature without the complications of man kinds struggle with each other. but you'll never find a pure life of man vs wild in the presence of humanity. maybe in outer space but even then its only a matter of time before an individual in space cant protect themselves from communities in space without their own community in space.

i agree

We truly live in a society

Discuss

I disagree

We live in a collective

I live in a house

the house has walls

#bordersecurity

I can agree on the conclusion that houses are inherently racist and islamiphobic

A house killed the (supposedly) wicked witch of the west.
So we can say they are sexist at the least

And they hate those whom are different

And they are xenophobic

People murder themselves in houses so they promote suicide