but we've enshrined huge government entities like teh FBI, CIA, and the rest of the alphabet as the real powers.

politicians change.

So should they. <_<

agencies don't

The deepstate is real

we have a bureaucratic aristocracy, yeah

why do you think the FBI is hounding trump

"obstruction of justice" prevents him from firing their asses

I do not recognize their authority

I do because I'm an American citizen.

Those two things aren't mutually exclusive

Patriot act was written before 9/11

Patriot Act was a wishlist of shit the LE / Intel community wanted but knew they would get flayed alive for asking for. When The 11 September attacks happened they just used the moment to pass it

Agreed.

Never let a good tragedy go to waste

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=21&v=_pCJ5KVPkS8

Ruth Bader Ginsburg is dead or incapacitated, change my mind.

She can remain on the court unless she is dead can't she?

Fox News already leaked her death

let's get that confirmed or denied

fox alone isn't enough confirmation, but still enough to check

Lets look at the probability.

what was the last you heard about RBG?
And when did you hear the last of RBG?

Last I heard was a lung removal operation, wich is said to be a higher risk one.

And that was months ago.

So the conclusion can only be that she's either dead or on her way to be dead.

If that wasn't the case, we'd hear about something of her in da News.

probably

so let's get her checked up

Health and Safety Check

$10 that she has been dead and has just controlled by a ventriloquist.

@halfthink Not sure where the hell I would fall into the spectrum of left or right, but I basically argue that a wall will do it's job of making it harder for people to cross the border. Im indifferent but if I had to pick would support a wall. I just hate how people think a wall will do nothing. If you mount a camera or some detection unit, it will literally buy time for an investigation team to get to the area. People say just go under it. I saw , once you find a tunnel, you collapse it or fill it up with cement. Pretty sure closing up a tunnel is faster and easier than digging a new one. You keep doing this until people get the clue that it becomes too much work to do. You can make a wall tall enough for it to become dangerous to go over. So it people climbed over it they are likely injured or tired. You don't need a continuous wall, you can make it break out into the middle of nowhere. So if people want to go around it you can let the natural barriers do the work for you. This basically makes it hard enough that only young men would be able to cross consistently.

Then people argue about cost of maintenance . Since a wall is something simple , you wouldn't even need much to maintain it. I simply see the wall more like a permanent fixture with a fixed cost that will pay itself over time. Better than a variable cost of buying high tech shit and more manpower. Which would basically make the wall a metered wall where you can count how many people crossed. I do think the wall would need this surveillance but nowhere to the degree needed if there was no wall. You see someone trying to cross. You send people to that area to investigate. Since the wall slowed them down enough, you have a higher likelihood of catching them. People catch on, and alot more people would give up attempting to cross. This frees up resources and could be allocated to ICE or something to then go after the people in the country. If people start abusing visas more, you start giving out less visas, if you can't track these people.

these are all good points I THINK most of us are aware of. I agree myself.

I have an interesting hypothetical situation for you lads

So. I'm part of a grand strategy sci-fi roleplaying game, and I run a nation who uphold the value of liberty in the law; blatant violations of the principle of liberty are met with martial law, but the government is socially libertarian, e.g. drug use is legal as long as it only affects the self; this is done to pacify the highly criminal population, as the country is descended from a prison colony

An intergalactic megacorporation broke broadcasting violations by showing unedited, uncensored footage of dead soldiers with no warning and no permission from either the government or the families of the deceased

Now, my government sent a cease and desist to the newsgroup, asking them to retract the story and apologise. This was met with an accusation of suppression of the free media

However, the news organisation broke multiple broadcasting laws, and slandered law enforcement when they tried to enforce the law

The current course of action is to attempt to arrest the individuals behind filming and airing the footage, as well as whoever wrote the libellous letter

Here's where the dilemma comes in