Well at least he cant claim the us is a terrible place.

We weren't talking about the US.

Ask him if Mexico deserves to be a great country or not, a place where people didn't have to flee from.

And yeah you can't fight emotions with logic sadly.

And that if the wall should be built, if anything, for humanitarian reasons.

I said if people leave they lose the incentive to make their home countries better and it becomes an endless loop.

I thought jordan peterson said it best.

And if we keep taking their best/brightest/smartest people, how can we expect those countries to develop?

Sometimes you need emotional arguments to counter someone who uses them

Well that argument doesn't work with illegals @JadenFrostwolf.

Why?

Because you don't vet illegals.

Could be getting anyone.

Oh, the 'smartest' people comment was for legal immigrants.

The 'wall' comment was for illegal ones.

That's more an argument against immigration in general.

Ah ok.

Yeah, it is. lol

Is this person under the impression trump supporters hate legal immigrants?

Most of them know trump is from a family of immigrants

Probabaly but I didn't ask. The conversation is a bit of a shitstorm at the moment.

Eh, how are rhey like now?

He's going on about how the travel ban was unconstitutional and just because the 9th ruled it as such made it true.

I'd point out the major other travel bans that previous presidents did

Did that.

Anything more than its different

He's not listening at this point so the whole debate is probably moot. Just fun to watch.

Yeah, no arguing with people like that.

Rule one: you never debate someone to convince then

Them*

Maybe he should visit Arizona sometime.

You do it to convince the fence sitters watching

That's true. lol

Yeah im sure some people jumped the fence after watching that.

Legally though.

Debate is also a skill, so you can have the right stance and points, but deliver them incorrectly.

Yeah that's true.

It's important to keep peoples minds open.

Like in the whole Sargon vs Spencer thing.
What a dumpster fire that was....

Heres the thing as well, learn how to argue like they do and other people will realise how stupid those arguments sound.

Terrible debate but I did learn a lot from it @JadenFrostwolf.