Message from @Dr.Wol
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there's a really good description of how communism becomes such a monster in Atlas Shrugged.
sadly i think the current european politicians are actually thinking they're doing good as opposed to grabbing power
they've started to believe their own nonsense because they're disconnected from the normal peoples lives because they've been in power too long consecutively
you are still missing the point. The reason there is a problem with crime is that nobody is making the case that enlightenment values are not only morally sanctionable, but desirable.
therefore, people are turning to other philosophies like nihilism (one of the roots of communism) or mysticisms like Islam.
but don't you see? thats how Muslims see islam comapred to the western values
They see their "values" as morally sanctionable and desirable
Enlightenment values is just another term of "our side knows better"
the whole point shouldn't be to find some specific values, its to find "the best" values, and we learn that by studying history and the world, and then say "lets not repeat THAT"
That's as many didn't come here with the intention of integration
In the most recent large wave
Since it got up around 300,000 per year in the UK
but 100 years ago, the Middle East studied the west to try and learn the secret to their success, but by that time it was too late. The rot had already set in, and socialism and nationalism were taking over. Thats why the Middle East is filled with Theocratic Fascist and Socialist states like Hamas.
I told you, the reason why they aren't integrating is because we are telling them to hold onto their culture.
in other words **its our fault**
nah, those places became like that because they believe in groups. its a case of "your tribe is a bunch of animals", and WE are the true faithful, and our spiritual leaders decide who is right and who isn't
Many wouldn't let go anyways and yes I can agree with that
We don't put our standards above theirs
America's problem is America. Britain's problem is Britain. Germany's problem is Germany. How hard is that to see?
and i agree, the reason they're bringing their shit here is because we for some reason as a society decreed that even though for hundreds of years, our culture was CLEARLY superior and the one people should want to adopt, we tell tehm their barbaric views are just as wise as ours because "equality"
This Is the ultimate failure of multiculturalism
yes, its cultural relativism from the intellectual class.
And it won't change until we bring back the enlightenment.
no its the ultimate failure of collective thinking, where the "group" is more important than the individual
under the current leftist "group" every single view is equal, and truth is an opinion, hence the individual doesn't matter anymore, what the group thinks, is what is truth
Self hatred and fundamentalist looking equality
and thats just madness
True madness
but collective thinking is part of the philosophy of today
its a central part of altruism.
philosophy is asking questions in everything
collective thinking isn't asking questions, its accepting orders
That is the great truth that Ayn Rand understood but everyone refused to accept
its that Altruism **requires** that you put the group above the individual.
they didn't refuse to accept, they realised Ayn Rand was stupid in her Objectivism
Also philosophy is relevant but the worst part is the post modernism, it's not enough for things to be true
They care who said it, not what is said
**Post-modernism stems from altruism**
Plato ==> Kant ==> Nietzcshe ==> Marx.
Altruism isn't the most human trait as they go
What we're doing right now is Objectivism, trying to find a way without emotions, no subjective opinions, jsut the "flat truth"
Whilst this is waht we would WANT to achieve, humans are group animals, and most are idiots
Objectivism won't work to run a society because idiots will gladly destroy it in name of whatever carrot a smarter person dangles before them
Unless voluntary out of friendship
thats not what objectivism is
I have to admit that this conversation has kinda gone over my head now, so I'm just reading.
you are assuming that people don't have the capacity for reason.
If anything its an overriding of wishful thinking