Bad stuff happens there

It keeps them to busy to hungry and to dependant on the next day for them to rise up

that is why it is important to allow rational self-interest to become a virtue. Because it leads to people taking the responsibility for their own lives.

yes it does

Rational self interest to me would be, someone smart enough to abuse the welfare system, because those idiots forcing welfare will give you free money that someone else earned for you

and why is taking responsibility for ones own life a bad thing?

the ultimate selfish ideology is libertarianism (or closer still, objectivism)

no because you are stealing money from someone else

I think everyone should keep their shit to themselves and be left alone

"virtue signalling" and "wanting to help for the sake of helping" can mingle together as one. I absolutely refuse to only ever think of myself. I do think about myself, of course. But that's not the only thing I think about.

so you are ultimately dependant on them.

no im not

I just don't prescribe to this idea that not being selfish is selfish.

Taxes.

you don't have to

No, dependant is not the word

if i don't need their money, but still take it, its for my benefit only

the welfare system needs an overhaul, there are SO MANY people on it that know how to play the system now, and keep people who actually work and pay taxes, struggling to pay their own shit

Personally interested

yes

A better title for that.

get rid of its non-essential parts

if you make helping people your goal, by pursuing it, you are being rationally self-interested.

omg, generational welfare is a think

thing*

A blanket-statement with little basis in reality.

abolish welfare.

GENERATIONAL WELLFARE take a wild guess what they vote?

so how in the hell is having people dependent on you for no reason other than they are lazy and are getting free money a selfless act

that yoru kids get welfare too

when you sit there and struggle to pay your bills and your rent and for your food and such, how is that selfless

it's not, that's being selfish

its selfish to pay your bills?

O.o

right, i'm off to bed, cuz this is just an endless cycle right now

you are being altruistic, the people dependent on you are ultimately looting from you.

that's them sucking you dry of money that coudl go into your childrens' mouths as food, that can cover them as clothing, that can shelter them as a house

Hello comrade I have a free helicopter ride for you

CONGRATULATIONS! YOU'VE WON!

looting isn't altruistic, but it is a consequence of altruism.

it's not altruistic, you can'r choosing to help them, you are being forced to give them your money while taking from your children's quality of life, as well as your own