Message from @Enigmus
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but what if the society neccessitates sacrifice? like with the welfare system? they can't live for themself.
then they need to be taught how to live on their own
fuck off
they will die and you know it
you are undermining the purpose and value of division of labour
you can't just expect people to continuously pay for them, and then when the peopel who they relied on dy out, they will be left alone and they will die too because they don't know how to do anything for themselves
it's not a permanent solution
you cant just devolve society back to individuals
Again, it goes back to this. People need to become more independant, and be able to stand on their own two feet.
i agree completely
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I'm pretty sure that was argued for earlier.
which if the human race expects to get anywhere, they will start by starting to cut people off of welfare that have nothing wrong with them
that is why I'm advocating for people to become selfish.
its not selfish to build a career
rationally selfish people do not rely on or exploit others.
yes it is
no it's not
and you knwo it
the rest of society depends on it
I'm going to have to completely disagree with you there. It's a fucked and doomed-to-fail system if everyone only ever thinks of themselves
it's selfish to sit there and take their tax money
for the government maybe
and when I got here, you were telling people that beingforced to be someone's personal bank account was a selfless act
which it's not
The world is already feeling that effect. People just waltz on by homeless people all the time. Little to no empathy.
but its not rational, because eventaully the money will dry up
@Enigmus most walk by because they can't help, because they can barely afford to feed themselves despite working
Keyword
"Most"
look, if you wanted to sum up what I want politically: 1. complete deregulation of markets 2. disolution of the welfare state 3. Massive reduction in taxes and the size of the state in general
The human race will devolve quite a lot if everyone only ever thought of themselves. We'd devolve into a savage and awful race if literally everyone took to their own devices, and were so short-sighted as to think that only their goals and interests mattered, because they're them, not other people.
Just look at the human race today
Loooots of selfishness
Oh lookey, warlords in Africa
Oh hey, Adolf, how do you do?
do you really think to think short term is to be selfish?
Mighty fine day out, isn't it, Stalin?
I'm saying that if you only ever think of yourself, you're selfish
By literal definition
if you were to do what you wanted, no one would be able to afford anything, not ot mention there would be no rule in what is a market and what isn't