Message from @WOODY

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2018-01-23 02:11:38 UTC  

also, I'd like to point out that Hitler and Stalin were the two biggest advocates of sacrifice in the 20th century.

2018-01-23 02:12:08 UTC  

yes, and Hitler and Stalin were nutters

2018-01-23 02:12:20 UTC  

yes but slavery undermines peoples rights to life, and I already stated earlier that the most important thing is individual rights.

2018-01-23 02:12:22 UTC  

🎵 One of these things is not like the other!~ 🎵

2018-01-23 02:12:24 UTC  

because they coudln't see past the noses on their faces when it came to that

2018-01-23 02:12:55 UTC  

individual rights were a thing back then too, it still happened

2018-01-23 02:13:07 UTC  

because there were no laws or regulations on the markets and what could and could not be a good or service

2018-01-23 02:13:11 UTC  

but don't you see how it was people's willingness to be altruistic and give themselves up to the state that enabled them?

2018-01-23 02:13:21 UTC  

People can live selfishly if they want to. But when they go about, trying to tell me to be selfish, I have a problem.

2018-01-23 02:13:31 UTC  

yeah, slaves gave themselves up willingly to be slaves!

2018-01-23 02:13:36 UTC  

OMG LMFAO!!!!! WOW

2018-01-23 02:13:46 UTC  

I was talking about hitler

2018-01-23 02:13:48 UTC  

but ok

2018-01-23 02:14:02 UTC  

look, going to be real honest

2018-01-23 02:14:30 UTC  

there was fear mongering and coercion, and down right threats

2018-01-23 02:14:46 UTC  

I can tell you that a lot of the men on the battlefield and even in the SS did NOT want to be there

2018-01-23 02:14:49 UTC  

they were forced to

2018-01-23 02:14:57 UTC  

^

2018-01-23 02:15:06 UTC  

Something looked past a lot when condemning "Nazis"

2018-01-23 02:15:07 UTC  

so it's not Altruistic in the slightest

2018-01-23 02:15:09 UTC  

but I'm talking about before that

2018-01-23 02:15:22 UTC  

before they came into power

2018-01-23 02:16:06 UTC  

In fact, not standing up to hitler and being afraid of dying for going against him, and going along with what was happening, doesn't that sound a bit selfish by this logic? So in this particular case, selfishness prevented action which could've resulted in less people dying.

2018-01-23 02:16:12 UTC  

before that, he wasn't talking about killing people, he was talking about having Germany be apart of the modern world again, when Germany had been forced to sign a declaration stating that they would never hold an army nor amass troops, essentially leaving thme defenceless

2018-01-23 02:16:30 UTC  

Saying and doing are two different things.

2018-01-23 02:16:42 UTC  

how about read a bit of history

2018-01-23 02:17:00 UTC  

When you're paralyzed with fear for both yourself, and your family, you tend to not think "rationally."

2018-01-23 02:17:15 UTC  

Technically speaking, World War II was just World War 1: Part 2.

2018-01-23 02:17:17 UTC  

When the dust settles, hindsight is 20/20

2018-01-23 02:17:24 UTC  

^

2018-01-23 02:17:39 UTC  

Yeah, I'm just using the logic/rationale, that's all.

2018-01-23 02:17:41 UTC  

look, I know about the treaty of Versailles

2018-01-23 02:17:54 UTC  

but the altruism still persists in World war 1

2018-01-23 02:18:01 UTC  

no it didn't

2018-01-23 02:18:16 UTC  

people were forced to war then too by conscription

2018-01-23 02:18:24 UTC  

what do you call thousands of men sacrificing themselves on the battlefield?

2018-01-23 02:18:30 UTC  

"Drafts"

2018-01-23 02:18:37 UTC  

Victims.

2018-01-23 02:18:38 UTC  

and a small group of leaders used their citizens as the weapons and not by the citizen's choice mind you

2018-01-23 02:18:46 UTC  

victims is a good word

2018-01-23 02:18:51 UTC  

@JadenFrostwolf lol exactly