Message from @Dr.Wol

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2018-04-11 18:45:11 UTC  

it is a solution

2018-04-11 18:45:38 UTC  

well, a bad one

2018-04-11 18:46:04 UTC  

you have a better one to deal with people who dont accept compramise and also make up half your population?

2018-04-11 18:46:20 UTC  

yes

2018-04-11 18:46:45 UTC  

implement a constitution based on what everyone agrees on,

And give the rest the freedom to do what they wish provided it doesn't hurt/affect other people

2018-04-11 18:47:07 UTC  

people dont agree on anything

2018-04-11 18:47:49 UTC  

the only way youll get them to agree on anything is by having a different constitution for each side, in which case why not have a different country for each side?

2018-04-11 18:48:54 UTC  

because at that point you might aswell resort to full blown anarchy,

Because amongst those people who don't agree with side A, you'll have disagreement

So side B will want to split to side BA and BB
And those will want to split into BAA and BAB, BBA and BBB, and so forth

2018-04-11 18:49:25 UTC  

besides theres most certainly things people can agree upon

2018-04-11 18:49:28 UTC  

youll have disagreement but you wont have absolute non comprise

2018-04-11 18:50:19 UTC  

this is why states should have more power than the do, and the feds less.

2018-04-11 18:50:29 UTC  

because the big issue with your solution is that Futurama incident, "Lets show others of our peaceful ways, by force"

2018-04-11 18:50:32 UTC  

people don't like it in state A? move to state B.

2018-04-11 18:51:00 UTC  

to say that people who are on one side who dont always agree with eachother will disagree with eachother just as much as they disagree with everyone they see as an opponent is a bit silly

2018-04-11 18:51:27 UTC  

if half the people can find a compromise, then the entire people can to, so you're refuting your own argument from earlier

2018-04-11 18:51:29 UTC  

humans are the wrench in any human made system designed for humans.

2018-04-11 18:51:51 UTC  

thats just wrong jayred

2018-04-11 18:52:04 UTC  

Arch-Fiend - today at 20:47
people dont agree on anything

2018-04-11 18:52:49 UTC  

@I AM ERROR Yes, the 'moral high ground', as in marching to saves the lives of children from guns (but then marching to kill (future) children through mass subsidized abortion. 😉

2018-04-11 18:52:53 UTC  

so all the other things dont matter because i said one thing whithout enough context?

2018-04-11 18:53:01 UTC  

the context follows right after

2018-04-11 18:53:37 UTC  

i think what i think speaks clearly enough for myself that i dont have to explain that statement

2018-04-11 18:53:49 UTC  

it does, i'm just pointing it out

2018-04-11 18:53:54 UTC  

it contradicts

2018-04-11 18:53:54 UTC  

trying to make such a system static is just asking for it to be broken. You need to design a system to be fluid, while still maintaining general cohesion. Get the nation to agree upon something, even a majority, and its likely not to happen. Get a whole state to agree on something, there is a small but noticeable chance. a whole county, there is a decent shot, and a whole town there is a good chance.

2018-04-11 18:54:31 UTC  

im not going to argue over it

2018-04-11 18:54:50 UTC  

i'm glad we agree on that

2018-04-11 18:55:19 UTC  

but i would say, the grand majority would agree on actual things,
"Don't murder people" would be one i'm sure both left and right can agree on as a law

2018-04-11 18:55:27 UTC  

nope

2018-04-11 18:55:28 UTC  

Yes, get people to all support the most "common sense" things, like being opposed to terrorists (but then not criticizing people groups like Antifa that are on the terror watch list)

2018-04-11 18:55:42 UTC  

@Dr.Wol depends on how you define murder

2018-04-11 18:55:53 UTC  

if the person is "a nazi", the left would say go for it

2018-04-11 18:55:58 UTC  

"We're against bad things and for good things."

2018-04-11 18:56:02 UTC  

so no, they don't even agree on murder

2018-04-11 18:56:46 UTC  

murder, killing people that do no direct harm i would guess?

2018-04-11 18:56:52 UTC  

the nuances around any basic principle to societys is where different ideologys usually debate. any that actually debate the basic principles are so extreme that we dont even talk about them

2018-04-11 18:58:28 UTC  

but i fear in the current climate, even separating the people in different countries wont work :(

One side will want to kill the other country because "Their existance threatens ours"

2018-04-11 18:59:16 UTC  

i do legitamently think california less it has some big catastrophy soon where it threatens their population growth, may choose to leave the union and it will have a good defense against the rest of the usa by population alone

2018-04-11 18:59:37 UTC  

like how Antifa would attack a guy in a wheelchair

Because 1 person in a wheelchair threatens the entire trans community + antifa and stuff

2018-04-11 19:00:06 UTC  

doesn't california have to import water?

2018-04-11 19:00:22 UTC  

Yeah.