im not going to argue over it

i'm glad we agree on that

but i would say, the grand majority would agree on actual things,
"Don't murder people" would be one i'm sure both left and right can agree on as a law

nope

Yes, get people to all support the most "common sense" things, like being opposed to terrorists (but then not criticizing people groups like Antifa that are on the terror watch list)

@Dr.Wol depends on how you define murder

if the person is "a nazi", the left would say go for it

"We're against bad things and for good things."

so no, they don't even agree on murder

murder, killing people that do no direct harm i would guess?

the nuances around any basic principle to societys is where different ideologys usually debate. any that actually debate the basic principles are so extreme that we dont even talk about them

but i fear in the current climate, even separating the people in different countries wont work :(

One side will want to kill the other country because "Their existance threatens ours"

i do legitamently think california less it has some big catastrophy soon where it threatens their population growth, may choose to leave the union and it will have a good defense against the rest of the usa by population alone

like how Antifa would attack a guy in a wheelchair

Because 1 person in a wheelchair threatens the entire trans community + antifa and stuff

doesn't california have to import water?

Yeah.

there is a decent number of people in California who don't like California, if it tried to leave the union it would either have a decent amount of people leave, or there would be its own kind of civil war and see part of it return.

Only California can still be in a drought after it rains for a week.

doesn't the constitution state that you cannot seperate?

end up with California and like east California or something

every constitution is only paper thick

i'm not sure on the laws of the US federation, afaik they can't leave,

And if they do, they're too dependent on the other states to survive

Even if it does, which I don't think it does, you're going to tell a population that they can't separate themselves from you rule? How is that not tyranny at that point?

How are we different from Russia?

the fact you think we're different than Russia is mistake nr.1

I'm not saying we are.

I'm just pointing out for the sake of comparison.

like it doesent really matter, when has a law stopped someone from breaking a law?

you are though

i do believe there is a method to legally leave the union but i may be wrong, and that doesn't mean the government will uphold it

The average person thinks the US is different from Russia, so I was speaking on those terms.

Don't tell me what I think or believe, please.

the law isn't there as a shield that prevents stuff,
Its a piece of paper that lets you know what you shouldn't do if you don't want government response

californias dependency on the states is kind of holding them back more than anything else but they could try to solve that problem

the us is different from russia like the head of a coin is different from the tail

@JadenFrostwolf you mean me? i was not trying to tell you what you think, i was stating that the US is different from Russia

i meant my statement more as a general "those that think we're different from Russia" not directly at "You, jadenfrostwolf, why do youthink thissssss"

i also kinda just want california to be its own country

Alright.

like i dont wanna live with them anymore xD

https://newcaliforniastate.com/