Message from @The Lemon

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2019-05-16 15:47:40 UTC  

how the fuck do they support people will lose their jobs

2019-05-16 15:47:52 UTC  

the study is pulling numbers out of their ass

2019-05-16 15:48:02 UTC  

Also the guy in the video says "Work will be enhanced rather than lost" but he dosen't say how

2019-05-16 15:48:49 UTC  

It says here how they got the numbers

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2019-05-16 15:48:57 UTC  
2019-05-16 15:49:30 UTC  

Also interestingly the study says these are the areas that are likely to expand due to AVs

2019-05-16 15:49:32 UTC  

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/523835768813387796/578609994703044618/unknown.png

2019-05-16 15:49:55 UTC  

As I said before, all of these are highly skilled jobs which are going to require education

2019-05-16 15:50:15 UTC  

The people who are losing their jobs due to displacement from AVs are not going to be able to suddenly jump into these jobs

2019-05-16 15:50:54 UTC  

And these are the jobs that do the "handling of the truck's automated systems" just like you said @Billcat

2019-05-16 15:52:29 UTC  

Its also worth noting how this study cites a number for the amount of money that would go into the economy but it doesn't cite a number for the number of jobs that would potentially be created

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/523835768813387796/578610735115010048/unknown.png

2019-05-16 15:52:34 UTC  

But since this study is pro-AV

2019-05-16 15:52:53 UTC  

you would have thought they'd show the number of jobs that could potentially be created if it supported their narrative right

2019-05-16 15:52:55 UTC  

But they don't

2019-05-16 15:52:59 UTC  

What does that tell you?

2019-05-16 15:53:27 UTC  

There's going to be a large economic benefit in terms of GDP and other measures of the economy which are simmilar but that does not necessarily translate into more jobs

2019-05-16 15:53:50 UTC  

I'd suggest reading a source before you reference it next time @Billcat

2019-05-16 15:54:43 UTC  

It's a good source on the Luddite Fallacy

2019-05-16 15:55:57 UTC  

I know about the luddite falacy

2019-05-16 15:56:06 UTC  

But that dosen't necessarily apply to this wave of automation

2019-05-16 15:56:32 UTC  

Because previously the jobs that have been created have been replaced in equal number and have been of a simillar skill level

2019-05-16 15:56:41 UTC  

But as I've said already multiple times

2019-05-16 15:57:15 UTC  

There will not necessarily be nearly as many jobs created as will be lost and the people who are losing jobs are not going to be able to go into the new professions created

2019-05-16 15:58:16 UTC  

And if we want to increase social mobility and allow for a more dynamic economy where people have the financial ability to re train to do different jobs the perfect way to do it is a Universal basic income

2019-05-16 15:59:32 UTC  

If you want to see my main issues with the UBI you should look in <#514097283760128030> I posted something there yesterday.

2019-05-16 16:00:11 UTC  

<#513098448640278539>*

2019-05-16 16:00:55 UTC  

I can't see anything in there...

2019-05-16 16:01:17 UTC  

You were just talking about tarriffs

2019-05-16 16:03:45 UTC  

Sup

2019-05-16 16:05:06 UTC  

Was eating, will respond in a moment

2019-05-16 16:07:50 UTC  

Smells like up dog in here

2019-05-16 16:08:45 UTC  

Oof *Looks like a toddler up in here*

2019-05-16 16:09:02 UTC  

What’s a toddler

2019-05-16 16:09:34 UTC  

...

2019-05-16 16:10:15 UTC  

Then u say it what u r and we laugh

2019-05-16 16:11:04 UTC  

Are you explaining a set up for the joke?

2019-05-16 16:12:03 UTC  

You: looks like a toddler up in here
Me: what’s a Toddler
You: it’s what u r

2019-05-16 16:12:33 UTC  

No... just no

2019-05-16 16:12:33 UTC  

GG @Cristian Ledford, you just advanced to level 1!

2019-05-16 16:15:26 UTC  

Ok, so to start off, nowhere does that study say "3.8 million people will lose their jobs." *You* are the one making that claim, the study simply says they will be impacted. And no, unlike the claim you are apparently pulling out of thin air, monitoring the self driving truck is not a high skilled job. Companies will want to retain their current drivers and simply retrain them (since they have extensive industry experience) to adapt to this new role, the video cites to this around 6:55. So, to answer the question Yang proposed of "What do you retrain these truckers for?" *To manage the self driving trucks*

And, once again, please explain how you reached the conclusion that 12 million people will lose their jobs. Because, once again, a company would rather provide training for truckers who already have experience instead of replacing them. Not to mention, the future vision you have of self driving or automated vehicles zipping down the road is still a ways off. The most we can expect to see in near times are semi automated vehicles.