Message from @RyeNorth

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2018-05-24 04:15:45 UTC  

Anyone want to speculate on what is going to come from the court claiming that Donald Trump cannot block people?

2018-05-24 04:16:07 UTC  

Nothing will come of it.

2018-05-24 04:16:23 UTC  

Not unless they plan on making Twitter a public utility

2018-05-24 04:16:36 UTC  

See, that's just the thing, though.

2018-05-24 04:17:04 UTC  

There are actually a LOT of hypotheticals to consider in this thing.

2018-05-24 04:17:44 UTC  

"U.S. District Judge Naomi Reice Buchwald reasoned in her opinion that Twitter is a designated public forum, so blocking users based on their political speech "constitutes viewpoint discrimination that violates the First Amendment."

2018-05-24 04:18:08 UTC  

This judicial opinion is absolutely LOADED with consequence.

2018-05-24 04:19:04 UTC  

For one thing, does this mean that political viewpoint is a protected class?

2018-05-24 04:20:30 UTC  

Also, if Donald Trump's twitter is a public forum

2018-05-24 04:21:01 UTC  

This would mean that Twitter would have a constitutional duty to unban US citizens who have been banned from the platform, right?

2018-05-24 04:24:24 UTC  

Because Twitter banning users who *might* use the open public forum would be against the first amendment. Especially if they were banned for political speech. (Hate speech is protected speech, as per the supreme court.)

2018-05-24 04:24:49 UTC  

Would Milo be required to get unbanned? 😄

2018-05-24 04:24:52 UTC  

Or prevent people from blocking if they are in positions of government.

2018-05-24 04:25:11 UTC  

People can troll govt officials in that case

2018-05-24 04:25:55 UTC  

This seems like a classic case of leftist authoritarian activists making demands in the moment without thinking of the consequences of what they're doing.

2018-05-24 04:26:58 UTC  

"no government official -- including the President -- is above the law." - Official opinion.

2018-05-24 04:27:01 UTC  

So, yeah.

2018-05-24 04:27:09 UTC  

Unban all the right wingers who were banned

2018-05-24 04:27:11 UTC  

open season.

2018-05-24 04:27:47 UTC  

Also, no doubt Twitter would be unable to censor US citizens in addressing the president or other government officials, as they have in the past.

2018-05-24 04:30:10 UTC  

Ugh. I'm actually reading the judgement.

2018-05-24 04:30:35 UTC  

The first few pages seem to be them defining everything about what Twitter actually is. I hate legalese.

2018-05-24 04:32:19 UTC  

```“A user’s Twitter
webpage may also include a short biographical description; a
profile picture, such as a headshot; a ‘header’ image, which
appears as a banner at the top of the webpage; the user’s location;
a button labeled ‘Message,’ which allows two users to correspond
privately; and a small sample of photographs and videos posted to
the user’s timeline, which link to a full gallery.”``` - Page 4, This fucking judgement

2018-05-24 04:32:46 UTC  

Yup. That's twitter, alright. -_-

2018-05-24 04:34:55 UTC  

```Twitter user can also ‘mention’ another user by including the other
user’s Twitter handle in a tweet.``` This judicial opinion is riveting.

2018-05-24 04:35:01 UTC  

Page 6.

2018-05-24 04:36:51 UTC  

```Because a retweet or a reply to a tweet is itself a tweet,
each retweet and reply, recursively, may be retweeted, replied to,
or liked. “A Twitter user can also reply to other replies. A
user whose tweet generates replies will see the replies below his
or her original tweet, with any replies-to-replies nested below
the replies to which they respond...```People used to tell me I should go into law. I'm really glad I disappointed them right now...

2018-05-24 04:36:55 UTC  

Is that to make it clear they are specifying twitter the company? Couldn't they just mention the parent company (if there is one).

2018-05-24 04:36:57 UTC  

Also.. this only applies to us citizens using twitter?

2018-05-24 04:37:28 UTC  

@RyeNorth we discussed this earlier. If you look at all the wording around the ruling, this is limited to only trump, and does not actually dictate was twitter can and cannot do. If you look at the first amendment, it says the government cannot restrict free speech. The wording around a public forum says what the government can and cannot due related to free speech. The judgement also says trumps twitter around, specifically his tweets, are public forums, not all of twitter. So basically, because trump is literally the government right now, he cannot block people, because his tweets are public forums, and blocking people from them would be violating A1.

2018-05-24 04:37:38 UTC  

however, twitter can ban whoever they like, because they are not the government

2018-05-24 04:39:09 UTC  

Does that also mean that Twitter can censor direct responses to the President?

2018-05-24 04:39:28 UTC  

Or weight them as Twitter sees fit?

2018-05-24 04:39:32 UTC  

in theory, yes.

2018-05-24 04:40:22 UTC  

More like the reasoning that led to that judgement. How long before it can be used against anyone ekse?

2018-05-24 04:40:32 UTC  

however, i think this ruling means that the government cannot take down twitter for any reason, even that new sex trafficking law

2018-05-24 04:40:43 UTC  

what do you mean

2018-05-24 04:41:25 UTC  

It's the rule of invention

2018-05-24 04:41:31 UTC  

any time you create a new weapon

2018-05-24 04:41:36 UTC  

that weapon can be used against you.