Message from @Ivanfr

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2018-05-24 05:32:08 UTC  

What they're saying is that that particular type of spot has been used

2018-05-24 05:32:42 UTC  

So, street corners, check.

2018-05-24 05:32:51 UTC  

Public parks, check.

2018-05-24 05:33:20 UTC  

If someone generally allows it in their land, they can't suddenly change their mind while it's an active ground.

2018-05-24 05:33:27 UTC  

look, no company can block u from being in a park, but twitter can block u from being in twitter

2018-05-24 05:33:35 UTC  

thats the difference right there

2018-05-24 05:33:37 UTC  

But how does that translate to digital?

2018-05-24 05:33:51 UTC  

If the govt had a official twitter-like platform then it would be different

2018-05-24 05:34:11 UTC  

You have to look at it in a generic sense, or in specific history.

2018-05-24 05:34:22 UTC  

In practice, Twitter has been censorious.

2018-05-24 05:34:28 UTC  

page 13 on

2018-05-24 05:35:26 UTC  

It's not a good sign when the heading says *and its demise*

2018-05-24 05:36:25 UTC  

I've been linked a thesis, then? :/

2018-05-24 05:36:36 UTC  

A "traditional", or "open, public forum" is a place with a long tradition of freedom of expression, such as a public park or a street corner. The government can normally impose only content-neutral time, place, and manner restrictions on speech in a public forum. Restrictions on speech in a public forum that are based on content will be struck down, unless the government can show the restriction is necessary to further a compelling governmental interest.

2018-05-24 05:36:39 UTC  

that is a description

2018-05-24 05:36:46 UTC  

not the cause of it being a open public forum

2018-05-24 05:37:09 UTC  

This argument is in semantics, anyway.

2018-05-24 05:37:40 UTC  

from what this is saying, the idea of a public forum is that the government cannot tell people where they can assemble. their example is a town forbidding a meeting hall owner from renting out to communists to host a public meeting.

2018-05-24 05:39:40 UTC  

legal Definition of open forum
: a government property that is opened to the public for expressive activities of any kind — compare limited public forum

2018-05-24 05:39:58 UTC  

I found this definition in a website that is like a dictionary for lawyers

2018-05-24 05:40:08 UTC  

The argument, as I've seen it presented has been ```1. Any action taken by the president is an action of the government
2. Donald Trump's personal twitter account is to be considered an open public forum
3. Twitter, as a whole, as a privately owned company, may remain a private forum```

Have I misrepresented anything?

2018-05-24 05:40:09 UTC  

the problem is we need the exact legal definition

2018-05-24 05:41:47 UTC  

there is probably some supporting premises missing from some of those but yes

2018-05-24 05:42:13 UTC  

also other questions like do you own your twitter account

2018-05-24 05:42:14 UTC  

all of the legal definitions im seeing say that the forum must belong to the government

2018-05-24 05:42:34 UTC  

@Ivanfr which is why i just asked the question, do you own your twitter account

2018-05-24 05:42:34 UTC  

So, let's address #1.

2018-05-24 05:42:41 UTC  

no, twitter does

2018-05-24 05:42:54 UTC  

And I'm switching to metaphor for my case

2018-05-24 05:43:01 UTC  

I have no right to my twitter account, I just hope twitter lets me use it

2018-05-24 05:43:23 UTC  

I havent paid for ity

2018-05-24 05:43:24 UTC  

it*

2018-05-24 05:43:41 UTC  

If Elon Musk were to kick someone from his house

2018-05-24 05:43:48 UTC  

and im pretty sure when I accepted the ToS it says that I dont own shit and twitter are the supreme god of their virtual land

2018-05-24 05:43:49 UTC  

true. Yet apparently you have a right to the data generated by using it.

2018-05-24 05:44:03 UTC  

Is this the action of Elon Musk, or is it an official action of a company he owns?

2018-05-24 05:44:14 UTC  

or at least that is what a bunch of congress people who don't know how facebook works seems to think.

2018-05-24 05:44:44 UTC  

Let's just call the government a legal person and be done with it 😛

2018-05-24 05:45:25 UTC  

@RyeNorth its entirely possible