Message from @Tool
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Essentially a dictatorship.
Because Turkey is sliding towards theocracy
I know. What a shame.
Ataturk would be rolling in his grave.
How can you celebrate him but also completely reject his model for your nation?
That's just hypocrisy
Do you go to casinos too btw, and use last week's jackpot winner as evidence that it's a smart thing to do?
@Tool What do you mean model?
Like I said, there have been "good" monarchs too. Nah man, I think you're trying to play Devil's Advocate here - and while I like to do that too (and I believe there are exceptions to most things that are worth pondering) - I think it's a bit fruitless in certain cases
Secular state @Deleted User
@Dr.Cosby I'm going off how it's been practiced. Usually benevolent dictatorships or nationalist dictators that care about their country are better than democracies.
With less choice
@Tool Okay? I want that too. Or I want to remove religion and make the populace focus on racial unity or their nation.
I don't get how fascism contradicts that.
Hm? I was talking about Turkey
"Usually benevolent dictatorships or nationalist dictators that care about their country are better than democracies." huge citation needed here
And how Turkey is turning its back on that
Yeah it's a shame. @Tool
But celebrates ataturk anyway
You went from bringing up two examples (both not very good for your point IMO) to making a sweeping statement like that
@Dr.Cosby Hm. I'll make the case of Rwanda and Qatar then. They are both socially authoritarian
@Tool They celeberate ataturk because they're nationalist. They put nation above religion.
.... For now
Haha
So today on Fascism Success Stories we also have Rwanda and Qatar?
Lolol
@Dr.Cosby Not fascism
But authoritarian/dictatorship
I also don't know enough about their governments to say for sure, but they don't look all that fascist to me too
Ah okay
My case for fascism would be Gaddafi, Hussein and maybe Ayub Khan. He was traditionally right but had secular policies.
But secular is excluded from this
Hussein?
Not Saddam, surely?
Saddam Hussein
Okay, let's talk about Iraq during his reign.
Lol you think he was good? Come on mate...
In improving his country, definitely. Ba'athism is a solid ideology but I only take some of it.
https://youtu.be/qvp68ZjXLGw (English sub CC available)