@Dr.Cosby All of these dictators were successful, any person or source from those countries will tell you that.

Yes, Ataturk was the founder of modern Turkey. He ended the ottoman empire and sultan system.

Not at all a Fascist, and based on what I can see not really a dictator either

This guy is so praised that Turks on 10th November every 9:05 AM remember him.

@Dr.Cosby Not fascist but one party state.

Ironic

Essentially a dictatorship.

Because Turkey is sliding towards theocracy

I know. What a shame.

Ataturk would be rolling in his grave.

https://youtu.be/wQPtkbAiRrU

How can you celebrate him but also completely reject his model for your nation?

That's just hypocrisy

Do you go to casinos too btw, and use last week's jackpot winner as evidence that it's a smart thing to do?

@Tool What do you mean model?

Like I said, there have been "good" monarchs too. Nah man, I think you're trying to play Devil's Advocate here - and while I like to do that too (and I believe there are exceptions to most things that are worth pondering) - I think it's a bit fruitless in certain cases

Secular state @Deleted User

@Dr.Cosby I'm going off how it's been practiced. Usually benevolent dictatorships or nationalist dictators that care about their country are better than democracies.

With less choice

@Tool Okay? I want that too. Or I want to remove religion and make the populace focus on racial unity or their nation.

I don't get how fascism contradicts that.

Hm? I was talking about Turkey

"Usually benevolent dictatorships or nationalist dictators that care about their country are better than democracies." huge citation needed here

And how Turkey is turning its back on that

Yeah it's a shame. @Tool

But celebrates ataturk anyway

Because reasons

You went from bringing up two examples (both not very good for your point IMO) to making a sweeping statement like that

@Dr.Cosby Hm. I'll make the case of Rwanda and Qatar then. They are both socially authoritarian

@Tool They celeberate ataturk because they're nationalist. They put nation above religion.

.... For now

Haha

So today on Fascism Success Stories we also have Rwanda and Qatar?

Lolol

@Dr.Cosby Not fascism

But authoritarian/dictatorship

I also don't know enough about their governments to say for sure, but they don't look all that fascist to me too

Ah okay

My case for fascism would be Gaddafi, Hussein and maybe Ayub Khan. He was traditionally right but had secular policies.

But secular is excluded from this

Hussein?

Not Saddam, surely?