Same here, actually.

You do 4 years for Btech

and 2 for Mtech

yeah, same stuff. just different name

yeah, then <tech> is just a synonym for science

Well, there's MSc

we have that yes

MSc is master of Science

and yes, going straight for a masters is a bit different. but around here you can get a comp sci job with just a Bachelor. But you'd have a much MUCH easier time if you have shipped products and some kind of claims to years of experience in the field.

since anyone can write and released software, and you can learn everything online for all kinds of places, there is no reason you should need to go to college.

(that is, social norms aside)

in my experience, you don't need college for the actual skill

but having the paper stamp gets you into a job easier

if you don't have years of experience you can show, yes.

true

a lot of jobs has when i was looking for just entry level (yes, entry, because that no longer means the starting level apparently) had 5 years of industry experience OR a relevant bachelors degree.

and it was very much impressed upon me that the 5 years was way more valuable

haha yeah, the ol'
"We're looking for people under age 25, with atleast 20 years experience" meme 😛

its so true its sad

well the 5 years is more valuable if the person ain't lying 😛

i think they are just starting to realize that the economy has recovered enough that they don't have a bunch of industry vets looking for any job in the field

especially when i looked at people in my class back in the bachelors, jesus some of those peoples programming skills

which i believe is where the whole "25 years old and 20 years experience meme" partly came from in the last 10 years or so.

i'm not sure what started it but it sounds reasonable

they had people with 5-10 years experience willing to work entry level

although fields like programming where not as affected

they actually experienced some growth

maybe is a secret patriarchy thing 😏 since wamen haven't been in high supply STEM fields 10-20 years ago

totally the answer

no other alternative

programming experienced growth because the world moved to the internet
If you want a business outside of your local area, you need a website to attract people etc

exactly

as a programmer, you can all but pick where you want to work, and probably find a job there.

more websites means more safety, more networks
More companies that needed IT support, networking and protection

and then you can pick where you want to live, and work from there.

truely we are the new saints

"yeah, i live in Florida working for a company in Canada"
"how does that work? don't you need to go into the office?"
"Why? the computers are not stored there nor only accessible from there. Its cold up there, why would i go there?"

but getting back to that socialism question

I honestly think the issue is that most of the new people aren't properly informed, they're just told to go to college for a job
Not that it highly matters how valuable the trade-skill is
And then they racket up a big debt, with no valuable degree, no job

And then they think society (or government/powers that be) failed them, because they were promised a job and good income

and a Capitalist will say "well thats your fault"
A socialist will say "Yeah, government failed you, lets replace it"

So who'd you pick when you're down? Someone else to blame? or you?

i concur.

add to it problems like cronyism (lookin at you ISPs), bad or outdated policy choices (why can a politician retire with full pension paid out of tax payer's money at like 58? when i won't be able to retire....maybe ever?), and scared/panicky people