@Deleted User yes, that would make things very different

Where do you guys live?

Netherlands

US

I don't know about netherlands, but i'm pretty sure they don't offer mtech in the US

Unless i'm wrong

no, at least not by that name anyway.

how many years of schooling?

and what prerequisites?

not by that name
In the western world, Masters degrees are refered as Master of Science (which is broadly around tech)

or for non-tech, Master of Arts

Here we have masters degrees, which usually require a Bachelor degree. That is usually a total of 6 years after leaving high school (or secondary school i believe for you Europe folks) aka school usually taken after turning around 18 or so

no wait, masters are usually 2

minus doctors

not sure how its across Europe,

In Netherlands is 4 years of Bachelors degree, followed by 2 (or 2,5 with premaster) of Masters degree

and usually 1-2 years for Ph.D yes

Same here, actually.

You do 4 years for Btech

and 2 for Mtech

yeah, same stuff. just different name

yeah, then <tech> is just a synonym for science

Well, there's MSc

we have that yes

MSc is master of Science

and yes, going straight for a masters is a bit different. but around here you can get a comp sci job with just a Bachelor. But you'd have a much MUCH easier time if you have shipped products and some kind of claims to years of experience in the field.

since anyone can write and released software, and you can learn everything online for all kinds of places, there is no reason you should need to go to college.

(that is, social norms aside)

in my experience, you don't need college for the actual skill

but having the paper stamp gets you into a job easier

if you don't have years of experience you can show, yes.

true

a lot of jobs has when i was looking for just entry level (yes, entry, because that no longer means the starting level apparently) had 5 years of industry experience OR a relevant bachelors degree.

and it was very much impressed upon me that the 5 years was way more valuable

haha yeah, the ol'
"We're looking for people under age 25, with atleast 20 years experience" meme 😛

its so true its sad

well the 5 years is more valuable if the person ain't lying 😛

i think they are just starting to realize that the economy has recovered enough that they don't have a bunch of industry vets looking for any job in the field

especially when i looked at people in my class back in the bachelors, jesus some of those peoples programming skills

which i believe is where the whole "25 years old and 20 years experience meme" partly came from in the last 10 years or so.

i'm not sure what started it but it sounds reasonable

they had people with 5-10 years experience willing to work entry level