Message from @ZetaBlues

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2018-05-24 16:18:07 UTC  

these fucking comments and responses

2018-05-24 16:18:18 UTC  

where does all this hate come from

2018-05-24 16:19:57 UTC  

Intellectual dishonesty is how people get away with criticizisms

2018-05-24 16:35:31 UTC  

because the government was compelling speech, and he didnt like it... therefore authoritarians hate

2018-05-24 16:36:54 UTC  

would be interesting if another authoritarian group got in, perhaps white supremacists.. and they used the same laws to compel people to use the n-word, if they would still agree its a "good law"

2018-05-24 16:39:09 UTC  

tfw you're black and want to use the n word but don't because you're scared to get banned

2018-05-24 16:40:00 UTC  

or even just moderately, and maybe more realistically... a group got in power and compelled people to use technical pronouns (ie even a trans woman must be referred to as "he") ... the choice should always be free

2018-05-24 16:45:26 UTC  

thing about the n-word, I've never even quoted it nevermind said it in public or private (just personal choice really) - but it doesnt offend me at all (yes Im white) but I do wonder - when a white person hears it and starts getting "so offended" starts jumping up and telling people how offended they are... Im wondering if black people are looking at them like.. "wtf are you offended about??!?" 😛

2018-05-24 16:47:58 UTC  

tbh I dont recall ever hearing any white person actually use it IRL

2018-05-24 16:48:20 UTC  

Frankly, I believe we should be allowed to fuck up verbally

2018-05-24 16:48:38 UTC  

I call most people on the internet 'he'

2018-05-24 16:48:59 UTC  

Sex neutral, of course. As it was originally intended

2018-05-24 16:49:38 UTC  

what happens if youre from another country, but call a Canadian trans woman "he"? :/

2018-05-24 16:50:14 UTC  

Human rights coalition can't do jack

2018-05-24 16:50:33 UTC  

They have no jurisdiction in their own country, let alone others

2018-05-24 16:50:51 UTC  

I havent actually read C-16... is it specifically pronouns... or is it.. if you call a muslim a christian as well

2018-05-24 16:51:37 UTC  

It's weird

2018-05-24 16:51:51 UTC  

But the problem wasn't pronouns in itself

2018-05-24 16:52:00 UTC  

It was gender identity and gender expression

2018-05-24 16:52:09 UTC  

Which are both vague terms

2018-05-24 16:53:04 UTC  

Say you get into a fender bender with a xer and don't acknoeledge xir's pronouns because they're very feminine.

2018-05-24 16:53:25 UTC  

You're now committing a felony and have to confront a human rights tribunal

2018-05-24 16:53:55 UTC  

Here's the problem though. You can't claim ignorance.

2018-05-24 16:54:29 UTC  

sounds like another "the court decides what you meant"

2018-05-24 16:54:43 UTC  

Yeah. Which is compelled speech.

2018-05-24 16:54:44 UTC  

seems to be a trend on that

2018-05-24 16:54:55 UTC  

And it's a slippery slope

2018-05-24 16:55:14 UTC  

He was concerned about the slippery slope

2018-05-24 16:55:34 UTC  

But people misunderstood what he meant saying he refused to acknowledge pronouns

2018-05-24 16:57:11 UTC  

i like how people went "it only changed like these 3 things. it only added it in like 3 places" and its just like "well yeah.... WHICH CHANGES THE REST OF THAT LAW ENTIRELY"

2018-05-24 16:57:16 UTC  

well way back in the video that went viral and put him on the map - someone asked him "would you use my pronoun" and he replied something along the lines of "that may not help you"

2018-05-24 16:58:03 UTC  

he has been on record saying that in one on one conversation, and not in the public sphere, he would use the pronoun if you asked

2018-05-24 16:58:18 UTC  

his problem was not having the option not to

2018-05-24 16:58:29 UTC  

While inaccurate, that doesn't mean he won't use pronouns. He very well might. The problem is he won't do it if forced by the hand of the law

2018-05-24 16:58:36 UTC  

its like being pro-choice but still thinking abortion is horrible.

2018-05-24 17:12:41 UTC  

assumpingtalking about JBP

2018-05-24 17:12:47 UTC  

he also says it depends on the context

2018-05-24 17:12:57 UTC  

if you're asking him to use it to further your agenda, he wont do that

2018-05-24 17:13:50 UTC  

He goes in to pretty good detail during the end of the Maajid Nawaz interview

2018-05-24 17:13:55 UTC  

of what he would and wouldn't do

2018-05-24 17:14:12 UTC  

He's done it before that, too.