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"just because the consequence of an action may be bad, doesn't mean that the action itself is bad"

Give me an example of a good action with a really bad consequence

Or a bad action with a really good consequence

Martin luther king's speech

Good action, which resulted with him getting killed

I'd say it was a pretty bad action for him

Try again?

What? Not the getting killed part
The good action - him giving a speech about what he believes

Consequence of that action - People being enraged and killing him due to his stances

Lol the consequences that stem from an action are what makes the action "good" or "bad"

Whatever that means, anyways

No I dont agree
Actions are independent of their consequences. The essence of an action is independeent from the essence of a consequence which prevails due to that action

There are many examples of this

Martin luther king, Galileo, Jesus etc

You can say that the intent behind an action was "good" or "bad"

Bad things happen to good people.

But the goodness or badness of the action itself depends on the outcome

No it has nothing to do with intent. It has everything to do with other people reacting badly to good actions just because they disagree with those actions

Now you're complicating it with how people are reacting as well lol

No, that was literally the point of this conversation

Other countries reactions to our action of forbidding women to vote

I agree, I think it's a position to think about, because it is the reality for some countries currently. I think the MRAs and Stormcel types ignore the geopolitics though

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The White Sharia meme is a good one, but they leave out much

Entire country here wouldn't go along with it, California for example. So it would be impetus for secession as well, which might be a good thing overall

Good thing for who?

I personally, would be for China, Russia, North Korea, and the US to form some form of a mutual benefit allegiance, where they ensure their safety regardless of their economic/political disagreements, since they have the same mutual enemy

Secession might be good for peace overall, to prevent the kind of sectarian violence we see in other places

the root of much of that is the forced political union

I don't think secessions would be good for anyone (as much as I'd love to see garbage states like Alabama go away)

They wouldn't be able to survive lol

Alabama probably won't learn their lesson any other way

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Idk if they'd learn anything, tbh

Because we have a fiscal union, they can be as backwards as they want, californians fit the bill

Just blame everything on the rest

Ironically, they blame the high tax blue states for everything, but taxes in those states are high partially to pay for alabama

alabama isn't even the biggest net-tax winner either

California pays by far more than any other state

gross, by percentage i think Conn is the biggest loser

And yeah many of those southern farmer states are actually a drain