Message from @Sentient23

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2019-10-12 08:45:57 UTC  

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2019-10-12 08:46:07 UTC  

"just because the consequence of an action may be bad, doesn't mean that the action itself is bad"

2019-10-12 08:46:15 UTC  

Give me an example of a good action with a really bad consequence

2019-10-12 08:46:23 UTC  

Or a bad action with a really good consequence

2019-10-12 08:46:34 UTC  

Martin luther king's speech

2019-10-12 08:46:52 UTC  

Good action, which resulted with him getting killed

2019-10-12 08:47:03 UTC  

I'd say it was a pretty bad action for him

2019-10-12 08:47:09 UTC  

Try again?

2019-10-12 08:47:33 UTC  

What? Not the getting killed part
The good action - him giving a speech about what he believes

Consequence of that action - People being enraged and killing him due to his stances

2019-10-12 08:47:56 UTC  

Lol the consequences that stem from an action are what makes the action "good" or "bad"

2019-10-12 08:48:16 UTC  

Whatever that means, anyways

2019-10-12 08:48:26 UTC  

No I dont agree
Actions are independent of their consequences. The essence of an action is independeent from the essence of a consequence which prevails due to that action

2019-10-12 08:48:44 UTC  

There are many examples of this

2019-10-12 08:49:11 UTC  

Martin luther king, Galileo, Jesus etc

2019-10-12 08:49:29 UTC  

You can say that the intent behind an action was "good" or "bad"

2019-10-12 08:49:34 UTC  

Bad things happen to good people.

2019-10-12 08:49:43 UTC  

But the goodness or badness of the action itself depends on the outcome

2019-10-12 08:50:07 UTC  

No it has nothing to do with intent. It has everything to do with other people reacting badly to good actions just because they disagree with those actions

2019-10-12 08:50:23 UTC  

Now you're complicating it with how people are reacting as well lol

2019-10-12 08:50:34 UTC  

No, that was literally the point of this conversation

2019-10-12 08:50:44 UTC  

Other countries reactions to our action of forbidding women to vote

2019-10-12 08:50:46 UTC  

I agree, I think it's a position to think about, because it is the reality for some countries currently. I think the MRAs and Stormcel types ignore the geopolitics though

2019-10-12 08:50:47 UTC  

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2019-10-12 08:51:04 UTC  

The White Sharia meme is a good one, but they leave out much

2019-10-12 08:51:47 UTC  

Entire country here wouldn't go along with it, California for example. So it would be impetus for secession as well, which might be a good thing overall

2019-10-12 08:52:01 UTC  

Good thing for who?

2019-10-12 08:52:16 UTC  

I personally, would be for China, Russia, North Korea, and the US to form some form of a mutual benefit allegiance, where they ensure their safety regardless of their economic/political disagreements, since they have the same mutual enemy

2019-10-12 08:52:25 UTC  

Secession might be good for peace overall, to prevent the kind of sectarian violence we see in other places

2019-10-12 08:52:31 UTC  

the root of much of that is the forced political union

2019-10-12 08:52:39 UTC  

I don't think secessions would be good for anyone (as much as I'd love to see garbage states like Alabama go away)

2019-10-12 08:52:49 UTC  

They wouldn't be able to survive lol

2019-10-12 08:52:50 UTC  

Alabama probably won't learn their lesson any other way

2019-10-12 08:52:50 UTC  

GG @Sh0t, you just advanced to level 4!

2019-10-12 08:53:03 UTC  

Idk if they'd learn anything, tbh

2019-10-12 08:53:06 UTC  

Because we have a fiscal union, they can be as backwards as they want, californians fit the bill

2019-10-12 08:53:14 UTC  

Just blame everything on the rest

2019-10-12 08:53:33 UTC  

Ironically, they blame the high tax blue states for everything, but taxes in those states are high partially to pay for alabama

2019-10-12 08:53:41 UTC  

alabama isn't even the biggest net-tax winner either

2019-10-12 08:54:08 UTC  

California pays by far more than any other state

2019-10-12 08:54:21 UTC  

gross, by percentage i think Conn is the biggest loser

2019-10-12 08:54:21 UTC  

And yeah many of those southern farmer states are actually a drain