Message from @Arch-Fiend

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2018-05-26 02:46:53 UTC  

its like opening up your chocolite factory to the public after 20 years and getting angry when you notice the film crew

2018-05-26 02:47:42 UTC  

it just seems dumb

2018-05-26 02:48:07 UTC  

yeah I agree, it seems to backfire more than it benefits them

2018-05-26 02:49:04 UTC  

i see it as an example of a the complacent relationship with media the world has built up over the last 100 years

2018-05-26 02:49:26 UTC  

Smarter Everyday did a video on a Hapatic glove about a month ago... i bet that was based on a NDA and they reviewed the film and asked him to blur stuff before release

2018-05-26 02:50:24 UTC  

maybe the idea is to get people writing about shit before you ever release it so that its in the public sphere before its on the market

2018-05-26 02:51:31 UTC  

yeah for sure its part of their marketing, but they want to build hype 1 or 2 years from release but don't want a competitor (perhaps in a different country) taking that knowledge and releasing something just before them

2018-05-26 02:52:02 UTC  

which i get, but its actually not nessicary, the reason its probably happening like this is because in a competitive move for marketing a long ass time ago someone did it, it was successful, and to stay competitive with eachother everyone adopted it, but in reality before when no one was doing it, it was on the journalists initiaitve to talk about these things and the realtionship has shifted to one of expectation rather than anticipation

2018-05-26 02:52:46 UTC  

and those who expect something will expect more

2018-05-26 02:53:06 UTC  

yeah plenty of kickstarters have promised heaps and delivered sometimes nothing

2018-05-26 02:53:28 UTC  

this is more of a journalism issue than an advertisment issue

2018-05-26 02:53:38 UTC  

specificly as im talking about it

2018-05-26 02:54:04 UTC  
2018-05-26 02:55:11 UTC  

vice really is trying to dig themselves into a hole they can never escape

2018-05-26 02:55:29 UTC  

yeah that's pretty common and what i've come to expect from vice

2018-05-26 02:56:49 UTC  

remember that "retreat" island video vice did.... hypocritical much

2018-05-26 02:57:27 UTC  

this is just actual slander

2018-05-26 02:58:20 UTC  

Can we copystrike vice?

2018-05-26 02:59:14 UTC  

well i know what tomarrows pewdiepie video will be about

2018-05-26 02:59:49 UTC  

i wonder if someday tim might work for pew news

2018-05-26 02:59:57 UTC  

that could work out

2018-05-26 03:00:20 UTC  

he might ignore it since he's already said he doesn't want to deal with that situation anymore, him responding to vice any more than he has will just get other media outlets defending the indefensible

2018-05-26 03:01:08 UTC  

idk, i think this is so bad suing them might actually be viable

2018-05-26 03:02:06 UTC  

chances are they're already re-writing it and will silently update the article and say nothing... standard trad media

2018-05-26 03:03:32 UTC  

somebody needs to finish a suit so we can have a order that all retractions have to be publicly announced

2018-05-26 03:04:03 UTC  

im not sure that will actually protect them. theoreticly it can because once it gets to the matter of redactions its a gray area of the law that only has case points to stand on, a judge could easly weigh that redaction doesent actually reverse the damage that slander does in some contexts

2018-05-26 03:05:02 UTC  

i don't even bother reading these things, not worth the annoyance.... there already is stuff like newsdiffs that people use because they've lost all trust

2018-05-26 03:05:46 UTC  

law is the law though

2018-05-26 03:07:44 UTC  

yeah but the gawker thing didn't make the ones leftover more cautious

2018-05-26 03:07:53 UTC  

ive heard rumors about the posibility of someone trying to sue a youtuber for slander

2018-05-26 03:08:07 UTC  

or defamation

2018-05-26 03:09:52 UTC  

if anything actually comes of it ill probably add it here.

2018-05-26 04:24:35 UTC  

Unrelated: I don't blame Trump for backing down on summit

2018-05-26 04:28:38 UTC  

yeah i kinda changed my mind when i heard more about it

2018-05-26 04:32:33 UTC  

Like, it's really difficult to just point fingers. International politics has a lot of nuance

2018-05-26 07:25:34 UTC  

Why exactly did happen? The letter stated the behaviour of the foregn official of north korea, but I can't find anymore news about it

2018-05-26 08:47:18 UTC  

Short summary from the news i know about that:
- NK and SK were to have a summit, NK and US were to have a summit
- SK and US did some joint military training, NK was put off by that and insulted
- NK cancelled summit with SK, NK said they were considering cancelling with US
- US cancels summit beforehand with letter, but is still open to renegotiating a new summit

2018-05-26 08:49:02 UTC  

end result, US shows NK and world they are in this out of kindness, and don't really care much for NK's aggression, but are still willing to continue to play nice. So its up to NK now to either suffer, or grovel back. US can't fall into a doormat position anymore in negotiations with NK

2018-05-26 08:49:43 UTC  

You missed that 12h after Trumps letter NK said they still want the meeting.

2018-05-26 08:50:06 UTC  

indeed i did miss that, i didn't know newer news already happened