I actually don't have an opinion. I feel people can do what they want with there lives aslong as it does not effect or hurt others.

@vzy Are you pro-choice?

@maxtrainboy Ok what about trans men entering women's bathrooms?

I dislike that.

yeah

But was just wondering when u thought life begins

Bathrooms are bathrooms weather they cut or add use the proper one with your original sex.

or when was a human

dont have full time for debate

I just feel they should not terminate the pregnancy unless it would cause harm to the babies mother and I mean life or death stuff. @vzy

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@maxtrainboy I think the line should be based on the actual genitals of the person. Lady genitals, women's bathroom, women's prison, etc. Men's genitals, men's bathroom, men's prison, etc. Doesn't matter how you were born, just what's between your legs now.

@maxtrainboy but do you believe a zygote is a person or cells ?

@vzy Life begins at conception

I feel zygote cause it is rapidly developing and nerves can be developed at any stage really.

I disagree but understand your point @tony1

@vzy There is s huge difference between a fertilized egg, and an unfertilized egg

@maxtrainboy K debate me then

Ultimately I believe in the rational objective method of sentience

the cells can not think or even respond to pain until around 24 weeks iirc would have to check again, but I personally see those as basic requirements of being a "human"

@vzy I do not.

There is also the viability belief as well, in that before that timeframe it is 100% impossible for the fetus to survive outside of the womb

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Medically or not, combining those two is why I'm personally pro choice before those time frames

@vzy So if someone cannot think they are no longer human?

If you are going to vegetables it is false equivalence

@vzy No I'm just asking a simple question, if someone cannot think, are they no longer human?

The vegetable, could at least previously think or has the capacity for thought, or even just sentience

As I said though sentience and ability to think are just basic characteristics of being a human

If they are in front of my eyes living and breathing etc, can not objectively say they arent human even if they cant think for themselves

As I said the fetus at that point, has no ability to exist outside of mother's womb

@vzy Ok, so you are only opposed to abortion when the fetus can think? Before the fetus can think, you're okay with aborting it, but once it can think you're not okay with aborting it, correct?

in laymans terms yeah, that and viability

even if it could not think for itself, if it was capable of being born premature and was possible to live outside of the womb I would believe it has human rights

@vzy

At what point does a fetus have brain activity?

The neural tube, which becomes the brain and spinal cord, seals up completely three weeks after conception, one day after the fetal heart begins to beat. By the fourth post-conception week, the eyes and ears have started to form, including connections to the developing brain.Aug 22, 2018

https://lozierinstitute.org/qa-with-the-scholars-fetal-brain-development-and-pain-capability/

A baby can think four weeks after conception

@vzy But to your second point, if a baby cannot exist outside it's mother's womb, it doesn't have human rights, correct?

This is from your own article

A major debate centers on the question of whether a fetus perceives pain before a two-step neural pain circuit has formed. Pro-choice lawyers and doctors have argued that the fetus cannot perceive pain until connections exist between the pain receptors in the skin and the thalamus, and connections exist between the thalamus and the cortex. Unfortunately, it is difficult to prove the existence of these connections in living fetuses without hurting the fetus; scientists only consistently observe these connections from outside the womb at 21 weeks post-conception, although they are observed a month earlier in aborted fetuses. Importantly, fetuses show hormonal stress responses to pain during prenatal surgeries performed at 16 post-conception weeks, strongly suggesting a complete pain perception pathway has formed by this time

It still has yet to be scientifically proven on whether or not fetus can react to pain which is literally one of lowest form of though

Pre 20 weeks