Message from @tony1

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2019-11-18 20:19:37 UTC  

What's your stance?

2019-11-18 20:20:05 UTC  

I dislike it in most cases and feel only under very limited circumstances that it should be done.

2019-11-18 20:20:15 UTC  

Ok I'm pro-life too

2019-11-18 20:20:21 UTC  

Let's pick another topic

2019-11-18 20:20:32 UTC  

Socialism or capitalism?

2019-11-18 20:20:40 UTC  

Capitalism.

2019-11-18 20:20:44 UTC  

Me too

2019-11-18 20:21:02 UTC  

Pro-lgbtq or anti-lgbtq?

2019-11-18 20:21:25 UTC  

@tony1 when do you believe fetus or zygote is a person

2019-11-18 20:21:31 UTC  

I actually don't have an opinion. I feel people can do what they want with there lives aslong as it does not effect or hurt others.

2019-11-18 20:21:38 UTC  

@vzy Are you pro-choice?

2019-11-18 20:22:25 UTC  

@maxtrainboy Ok what about trans men entering women's bathrooms?

2019-11-18 20:22:38 UTC  

I dislike that.

2019-11-18 20:22:45 UTC  

yeah

2019-11-18 20:22:58 UTC  

But was just wondering when u thought life begins

2019-11-18 20:23:04 UTC  

Bathrooms are bathrooms weather they cut or add use the proper one with your original sex.

2019-11-18 20:23:04 UTC  

or when was a human

2019-11-18 20:23:12 UTC  

dont have full time for debate

2019-11-18 20:23:49 UTC  

I just feel they should not terminate the pregnancy unless it would cause harm to the babies mother and I mean life or death stuff. @vzy

2019-11-18 20:23:50 UTC  

GG @maxtrainboy, you just advanced to level 1!

2019-11-18 20:24:14 UTC  

@maxtrainboy I think the line should be based on the actual genitals of the person. Lady genitals, women's bathroom, women's prison, etc. Men's genitals, men's bathroom, men's prison, etc. Doesn't matter how you were born, just what's between your legs now.

2019-11-18 20:24:25 UTC  

@maxtrainboy but do you believe a zygote is a person or cells ?

2019-11-18 20:24:28 UTC  

@vzy Life begins at conception

2019-11-18 20:24:56 UTC  

I feel zygote cause it is rapidly developing and nerves can be developed at any stage really.

2019-11-18 20:25:21 UTC  

I disagree but understand your point @tony1

2019-11-18 20:25:26 UTC  

@vzy There is s huge difference between a fertilized egg, and an unfertilized egg

2019-11-18 20:25:44 UTC  

@maxtrainboy K debate me then

2019-11-18 20:25:50 UTC  

Ultimately I believe in the rational objective method of sentience

2019-11-18 20:26:57 UTC  

the cells can not think or even respond to pain until around 24 weeks iirc would have to check again, but I personally see those as basic requirements of being a "human"

2019-11-18 20:27:21 UTC  

@vzy I do not.

2019-11-18 20:28:42 UTC  

There is also the viability belief as well, in that before that timeframe it is 100% impossible for the fetus to survive outside of the womb

2019-11-18 20:28:43 UTC  

GG @vzy, you just advanced to level 1!

2019-11-18 20:29:10 UTC  

Medically or not, combining those two is why I'm personally pro choice before those time frames

2019-11-18 20:29:55 UTC  

@vzy So if someone cannot think they are no longer human?

2019-11-18 20:30:33 UTC  

If you are going to vegetables it is false equivalence

2019-11-18 20:31:00 UTC  

@vzy No I'm just asking a simple question, if someone cannot think, are they no longer human?

2019-11-18 20:31:05 UTC  

The vegetable, could at least previously think or has the capacity for thought, or even just sentience

2019-11-18 20:32:01 UTC  

As I said though sentience and ability to think are just basic characteristics of being a human

2019-11-18 20:33:00 UTC  

If they are in front of my eyes living and breathing etc, can not objectively say they arent human even if they cant think for themselves

2019-11-18 20:33:23 UTC  

As I said the fetus at that point, has no ability to exist outside of mother's womb

2019-11-18 20:35:03 UTC  

@vzy Ok, so you are only opposed to abortion when the fetus can think? Before the fetus can think, you're okay with aborting it, but once it can think you're not okay with aborting it, correct?