And the ignorance of the American Collective is pretty piss-poor as well

Trump is largely a symptom of the people. And the corruption that's been allowed to build and stay ignored for decades

I need to amend one thing. The ignorance of America is at an all-time high during these modern times.

Sort of, the election of Trump was more of the people giving a giant middle finger to the Democratic Establishment. Which is likely why the democrats are trying so badly to get him removed from office at all costs and why the republicans are rallying around him

There is a divide among the Republican voters for Trump, but the establishment at DC will pretty much bend over backwards for him.

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And if the GOP can control the message well enough, the fall in line and vote for Trump anyway. That's something the Republicans have usually been good about, controlling the narrative

There is a divide there but it isn't much, nothing comparable to the rift between moderate democrats and the progressive democrats and radical leftists

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What do you mean by the Republicans "controlling the narrative?" I don't quite follow.

I'm not saying the don't necessarily, I'm simply curious.

Fox News, AM radio, staying on message as if every Republican pundit, congressman, conservative Corporation, has a talking points memo beamed directly into their heads.

They tend to stay United on the messaging, which makes it's more believable to their voting public.

Well that's something certainly not exclusive to the Republicans, the Democrats do the same thing.

More infighting among the Democrats though

And I'm just referring to leadership.

Well, what counts for leadership at any rate

Sure but there are messages also repeated there across the board

Ok well now I'm a bit confused, what exactly do you consider as constituting the leadership per se?

Are you referring to the members of the party itself or just general figureheads across the political wing?

Both. Those in the media who resent the messaging they want the voters to hear, and the congressman and senators.

Oh so media types along with politicians, I see.

Of course the corporate donors own establishment for both parties

Trump is both useful and dangerous to The Establishment at the same time.

Bernie represents everything anti-establishment, so in some ways he's a bigger threat

Idk, I agree but I find the narrative problem to be far more egregious on the left these days.

Not really, he's kind of bought into the whole PC stuff wholesale this time around. I feel like this might actually improve his chances in this election as opposed to 2016

He isn't exactly the outlier like he was in the last election

In 2016 he did Paul as soundly pimp slapping Trump with the wind. The DNC didn't want any of that though. Sabotage Tim in the media, during debates, even went as far as to feed questions in advance to Hillary.

The Republicans had an easy time controlling the narrative through all that. They are struggling and showing blatantly they're lying during the impeachment hearings.

I think it will be more of what the Democratic party does once to hearings are over, cuz they know the Senate won't allow impeachment trials to go forward.

The Senate most likely won't move forward with conviction, but honestly that's probably more on the grounds of the evidence in favor of Trump committing illegal activity being flimsy at best rather than from political bias. I mean you can argue that some of the republicans are lying, I don't know enough about that, but good god this is just embarrassing.

At the DNC sabotages himself again, they will hand the wind to Trump.

Yeah the coverage in news tends to be nicer and meaner to certain people

Yep, because the Ukraine scandal appears as of right now to be nothing more than Trump being retarded and mismanaging the situation as normal and the democrats looking desperate, they aren't going to be able to stop Trump from running again in 2020. Which is pretty fucking sad that they can't beat *this guy,* I mean for god's sake they're practically handing him the fucking win. They would have had a better chance at not pursing this impeachment at all and beating him in the polls, he now has a 50% approval rating because of this.

Meanwhile, someone like mayor Pete is what the establishment is looking for.

Even his sort of political base, the status of the economy, could very well turn against him in the future, and yet he's being handed the win.

Because of this trade war shit

This is why I hate politics

And yet I promised myself to pay attention about a decade ago. Sometimes I wonder if im better off ignorant of politics

I think this is the best political system for the people, but boy does it have it's faults. Most of the bullshit happening in congress, for instance, could probably be rectified by having limited congressional terms.