Message from @Ivanfr
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Marriage should be secularized, and the religious right of marriage should be left to the church
Where I am: People shouldn't give a fuck and everyone that does is a little brainlet, but businesses can refuse to deal with people for any reason.
@zutt that means blacks can make black only stores, or *cough* cinimas *cough* can have girls only nights.
Yes
Exactly
it also means you have a right to your private property, and your labor.
Well i believe there are laws in place against discrimination in service industry no ?
I remember they had to call off women only cinema screening
For law issues in states no ?
did they have to call that off?
i don't recall.
but that would also depend on the state i believe
My perspective is on separation of church and state. The religious Rite of marriage should not be protected by the courts, nor enforced by the courts. The right to the benefits of marriage however, should be.
They did call it off
What about gay marriage
it is not a sustainable thing, they cant have children
Nothing concerning the ceremony of marriage including birthday cakes and pastors should be enforceable by government.
should the govt have a contract with a gay couple?
The paperwork involved is it right
@Ivanfr should the government block them from adopting?
there are lots of kids in foster care
i would think even 2 same sex parents is better than a foster home
I would have to look at the stats on mental health of kids that are adopted by gay couples
plus suicide rates and all that
i doubt they are worse than those of kids in foster care
You guys just have to drag it back to the GQ don't
whats GQ
You
The gay question
Let it be known that I'm actually laughing right now...
idk what you are talking about
@RyeNorth this is why i want to break up the benefits and protections into different pieces with different criteria.
rather than needing a giant list of exceptions and different clauses.
"want to raise a kid? be under the same roof with at least 1 other person, you get these benefits for as long as the kid is under working age. (or legal age, or whatever age we decide is good enough)"
"living together in an environment that is basically no different than a married couple, even if you guys are just friends? Here, get these benefits"
Let it be known, I don't actually think being gay is moral, but it's none of my business what two people do, and valid points have been made for the basic protections. At the same time, most of the incidents such as this that have put the right under a under attack has been an attempt to undermine marriage anyway. And it's not your average same sex couple that does it. I don't think that marriage should be ruined for those who wish to partake in it, nor do I think they should be required to marry two people they disagree with. Secularizing marriage is the best way to preserve liberties without destroying tradition.
in other-words, the government ruined marriage
as they do everything they touch eventually
imagine my shock
You're not entirely wrong