but the alternative is only like there be 1 or 2?

you want CABLES in stormdrains?

you ancaps really are crazy

*facepalm*

@Arch-Fiend more like something the size of a storm drain, but a whole different system.

Well, in the commuiity that I live ( a subdivision suburb of Tampa) those storm drains are prbablt about 18 inches in circumference. Now I grew up in Chicago and I realize that some underground utility tunnels there are man sized but that is not the rule everywhere

well youd need a second stormdrain then

we are not even allowed to have that option

all im saying is this seems to be an infastructural problem

Arch...those storm drains in Chicago can sometimes be man sized in height so the utlilities are run through a smaller pipe within the larger underground storm drain tunnels

all of this is just possibilities but are barred by local governments leaving your only option to basically by your space FROM a huge ISP.

this is how they get a monopoly

all of these options are expensive

they are not even options

thats my point

because they are expesive and public nusances

how are ISPs not already a public nuisance?

name a single ISP who's customer service is steller

none, because they don't need to be

they are, your talking about making them bigger nuisances without any payoff

A competing company can't even worry about expense if they can't even explore the option due to regulation

you install a new large storm-drain like pipe line once, then get a lot of space to had lots of new lines for a while, any that is a nuisance?

these pipes which could be used to put power lines in so that you don't lose power every time a tree falls or a drunk driver takes out a light pole

yeah customer service may increase by 10% now that theres 3 competing isps and not just 2 but then you also have a 30% increase in infastructural problems which will effect the overall service of all 3 that rely on that infastructure

you realize that stormdrain either falls on the ips or the taxpayer right?

idk, how much more does it cost to maintain a concrete pipe in the ground over time verse the always falling over telephone poles?

how much does it cost to built it?

were talking about building a 5-10 foot tall wall underground that runs beside every road in the united states

basicly probably costs as much as the road does

That is never going to happen---cost prohibitive

over who knows how many years. idk, if i have the money, i seems like it might be worth while building it in a city or two and then letting other isps rent space in it for cheaper than the current cost to get on a pole.

maintenance would start to pay for itself

make money off my competition

if i lose the war for the actually internet piece, i still make money off the pipe

I don't know for all EU but things unraveled here like this: companies built their infrastructure then lease it to other companies... if you are internet operator you compete for costumers all over but you pay the lease for infrastructure to some .... Speed is unaffected since they are under "lease agreement)

the alternitive is what were doing right now creating ever complex systems of cables ontop of artifical trees or under the ground with the added problem of it being easier to forget where they are underground because they arnt inside the extremely expensive pipe your preposing

and all of thise expense falls onto either the tax payer or the isp

And whoever is going to do that will need to get the local community's permission to do so...pay an annual fee to the government, etc. in other words they are given a monopoly on that. 😉

local government doesn't even approve it to start with, i mean why would they? whatever company is the current ISP can just pay the town not to

the monopoly exists simply because its hard to do this and anyone who trys eventually gets eated up by the larger isps and their cables become comcast's cables

consumers wants competition