Message from @>Cytos, de lieve goede synth

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2018-06-12 15:41:12 UTC  

hes taught a lot of classes focusing on nazism and its rise

2018-06-12 15:41:22 UTC  

Like in Canada saying "a country should have borders" is considered extreme right wing.

2018-06-12 15:41:42 UTC  

oh another old tweet... more relevant to recent events... https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/464217937516040193?s=20

2018-06-12 15:41:59 UTC  

Or "people should be able to choose the kind of healthcare they receive".

2018-06-12 15:43:16 UTC  

In the US saying "a marriage is a union between a man and a woman" is non-controversial. In Canada it's not an idle question as to whether you could face arrest for saying that.

2018-06-12 15:44:50 UTC  

So Jordan Peterson is probably concerned about the right wing going too far in the same way a Bedouin is concerned about drowning.

2018-06-12 15:44:54 UTC  

the classes are all up on youtube, a lot of people cut them up into smaller bits, but you can listen to them for the most part in whole

2018-06-12 15:45:05 UTC  

Canada has a border with the US so the benefits are probably not as obvious as when you have a shitty neighbor.

2018-06-12 15:47:58 UTC  

JBP is very well informed about totalitarian states, especially of the 20th century

2018-06-12 15:48:28 UTC  

when he asks when the right goes to far, it prolly is in regard of that

2018-06-12 15:48:36 UTC  

not canadian politics

2018-06-12 15:49:25 UTC  

I remember him talking about Hitler's table talks and how conservatives are more sensitive to disgust than liberals. If he ever commented about what it looks like when the right wing takes things too far it would probably involve some of the same points.

2018-06-12 15:50:31 UTC  

Basically a cleaning/ordering response going out of control and being applied to tribal groups.

2018-06-12 15:51:23 UTC  

But Peterson has often said that people of with the underlying personality profiles that correlate to liberal and conservative need each other in order to build robust and functional institutions.

2018-06-12 15:54:01 UTC  

An organization dominated by people with conservative personality traits will stagnate, and become rigid and inflexible. Eventually it will fail to adapt to changing circumstances and collapse, or self-destruct through purity spiralling.

2018-06-12 15:55:21 UTC  

hes a enlightened alt centrist

2018-06-12 15:55:32 UTC  

im a radical alt centrist

2018-06-12 15:56:37 UTC  

im a banana

2018-06-12 15:56:46 UTC  

we eighter have a discussion about the different points of view and each bring the evidence in support of our claim to further both our understandings of each others possitions without resorting to falacies

2018-06-12 15:56:53 UTC  

OR I BLOW ThIS PLACE SKY HIGH

2018-06-12 15:57:37 UTC  

this alt business is stupid - there is right/left libertarian/authoritarian no alt-sh*t

2018-06-12 15:57:51 UTC  

i don't think labels are especially useful when referring to one's self or other individuals. they're only useful for broad generalizations of groups or trends.

2018-06-12 15:57:56 UTC  

alt is reactionary

2018-06-12 15:58:26 UTC  

its to mean you nonestablisment verson of a political spectrum

2018-06-12 15:58:43 UTC  

because multiple consiterations put people on the same point of a political compass

2018-06-12 15:59:05 UTC  

the establishment is irrelevant to the spectrum

2018-06-12 15:59:33 UTC  

its not irrelevant to how people collectivize outside the spectrum

2018-06-12 15:59:58 UTC  

if the "alt-right" just mean they want an ethno-state.... then theyre white nationalists... which is on the authoritarian scale

2018-06-12 16:00:28 UTC  

thats not what the alt-right "just mean"s though which is why they arnt that

2018-06-12 16:00:44 UTC  

also ethnonationalism isint the same thing as white nationalism

2018-06-12 16:00:53 UTC  

they still fit on the spectrum.. theres no need for "alt"

2018-06-12 16:01:31 UTC  

you could have a "party" called the alt-right ... but the spectrum is the spectrum

2018-06-12 16:01:35 UTC  

alt doesent define a position on the spectrum it defines a position of people who are on the same spectrum as other people but disagree fundomentally

2018-06-12 16:02:23 UTC  

its simply a reactionist group against establishment

2018-06-12 16:02:41 UTC  

which are no better defined as a whole than "alt"

2018-06-12 16:03:15 UTC  

thing is ... right has nothing to do with anything about ethnicity... its merely an economical scale

2018-06-12 16:03:52 UTC  

basically what they are... if they are capitalist ... they are auth-right...

2018-06-12 16:04:34 UTC  

the broader political scale takes into consiteration more than economics, whether or not it should is a matter of debate but anyone who has taken a political compass test can assert that more than economical questions are asked

2018-06-12 16:05:08 UTC  

yes, thats for auth and libertarian scales too

2018-06-12 16:05:45 UTC  

which is the social scale