Message from @Jes

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2018-10-02 06:46:10 UTC  

No clue if that's true. Though it is a place to start digging.

2018-10-02 08:22:49 UTC  

lol

2018-10-02 09:39:16 UTC  

On the list of things that's not happening. https://www.wkyt.com/content/news/Arizona-Sen-Jeff-Flake-considering-2020-Presidential-run--494858841.html

I got a hunch Flake is probably less popular with Republicans than many Democratic politicians.

2018-10-02 11:49:11 UTC  

Statistics are strange. I have been searching for a study that accurately presents what percent of accusation of rape, sexual assault or harassment are false. There are many studies that state about 2 to 5%. BUT these are from a basis of those brought to authorities. Most I would imagine never get that far, and prosecutors will only bring cases that they think they will win, so this number is reasonable, BUT does not indicate all the false accusations made.

2018-10-02 11:52:10 UTC  

I have seen studies that say about 40% of cases from women go unreported. But it is very difficult to to get data on men. How many false accusations of men go unreported?

2018-10-02 11:55:30 UTC  

I have done personal surveys, and it is hard to find a man that has not been at one time or another been falsely accused. Most, just suffer minor to major issues in their lives and men just have to take it. But if you know of a serious study that surveys men on this, I would be curious. Googling it, does not show much on this specific topic.

2018-10-02 11:56:46 UTC  

One has to filter the 100s of articles written in favor of women. Interesting that few of these studies exist.

2018-10-02 12:10:58 UTC  

For example, look at this Kavenaugh case. If false, it will never show up as a false accusation. But look at the damage it does.

2018-10-02 12:25:03 UTC  

you have to understand that men dont report these things generally. historically the man would be shamed for being a victim of anything involving a woman. Also the 40% of women dont report is pure hyperbol. because if they dont report you cant collect that data. its proving a negative

2018-10-02 12:25:12 UTC  

The other curious thing is rape/assault conviction rates, which is not the same as proving a false accusation. Conviction rates are only about 5 to 10%.

2018-10-02 12:26:00 UTC  

well thats easy, because in the UK (at the moment at least) you are innocent until proven guilty

2018-10-02 12:26:28 UTC  

in court, not in public opiniopn

2018-10-02 12:26:56 UTC  

How many rape cases that ended in acquittal in fact were false?

2018-10-02 12:27:18 UTC  

Since 90% seem to end in acquittal .

2018-10-02 12:27:43 UTC  

no way of knowing, only that there was insufficient proof to convict

2018-10-02 12:28:11 UTC  

These are important numbers to understand, if we are to believe women.

2018-10-02 12:28:30 UTC  

why would we beleive someone based on there sex? thats literal sexism

2018-10-02 12:28:45 UTC  

ergo illigal

2018-10-02 12:29:43 UTC  

this is the point @Timcast misses. if you put any word in front of justice you are perverting the meaning.

2018-10-02 12:29:59 UTC  

social justice is just code for mob rule

2018-10-02 12:30:08 UTC  

Interesting point.

2018-10-02 12:30:34 UTC  

i treat women the same as men. so he said x she said y thats a tie for me

2018-10-02 12:30:49 UTC  

but 2v1 means I lean to the 2

2018-10-02 12:31:06 UTC  

LOL, treat women the same as men, and you ask for trouble.

2018-10-02 12:31:13 UTC  

but thats the law

2018-10-02 12:31:53 UTC  

as a conservative person I try my best to obey the law. I don't even speed if I can help it

2018-10-02 12:32:39 UTC  

The other point on men, I would imagine many men will be afraid to even admit a false accusation ... ahh you have been accused ... maybe you are a liar.

2018-10-02 12:32:43 UTC  

sometimes you have to for safety reasons because a lot of non law abiding citizens on our roads

2018-10-02 12:34:03 UTC  

see, I don't think women are worse than men or incapable of standing up for themselves so I treat them the same. not like they are disabled and in need of special treatment

2018-10-02 12:34:54 UTC  

The problem is, there are a lot of white knighting men. If accused ... it is hard.

2018-10-02 12:35:01 UTC  

Margret Thatcher is the prime example of equality and meritocracy

2018-10-02 12:35:26 UTC  

white knight or male feminist is code for creeper that cant attact a woman conventionally

2018-10-02 12:35:39 UTC  

they are desperate for a pity lay

2018-10-02 12:35:42 UTC  

Yes, but it is what it is.

2018-10-02 12:35:51 UTC  

hence why so many turn out to be abusive to women

2018-10-02 12:36:25 UTC  

Yes, the other side of the coin. Hence due process is critical.

2018-10-02 12:36:32 UTC  

indeed.