So wannabe pope excommunicated the messenger, and the messenger excommunicated him

And then with the Massacre of the Latins, the 4th Crusade, etc made it worse

Probably in 1054 nobody really cared about this and it didn't seem like a big deal or very permanent

@Deleted User thank you for that article about leavened bread. I am now okay with leavened bread for Orthodox Communion.

Eastern Catholic use leavened bread

It's not a matter of faith, both have validity and spiritual basis

Byzantine Rite also don't use the filioque

What’s filioque?

Also... I forgot to ask for clarity on what was meant by the immaculate conception. I know Mary was a virgin before, during, and after birth. After birth, meaning she “remained a virgin” after Jesus came out of her at the minimum. Was there some other part of IC I’m missing?

Immaculate Conception means that Mary was conceived immaculately to save her from original sin so that she would be made ready to give birth to Jesus.

Now if this is true, then why doesn't God make everyone ready the same as Mary was? Or even Christ.

Why can't Christ just be conceived immaculately like Mary was? There are so many questions regarding it, and Orthodox Christians reject this.

Luke 2:24 is evidence that she had to be consecrated as well after giving birth.

Read Leviticus 12:8

And then read Luke 2:24

Unless @Deleted User can accurately rebuttal this

Oh... as in Mary was born without original sin, so she could give birth to a sinless Jesus. Is that what you’re saying?

Jesus came to fulfill the law, not abolish it. That was part of the law from Moses to offer the sacrifice after giving birth.

Doesn’t necessarily contradict her being sinless.

I know.

You probably don’t know this, because you don’t have kids, but women bleed a lot after giving birth. They sent us home with a bunch of adult diaper type things to catch all the blood and stuff that comes out after a baby come out of you.

oof

The woman being “unclean” has a lot more to do with physical health and hygiene than it does spiritual cleanliness.

True.

They didn’t exactly have period pads and disposable diapers 🤣

Well, I will continue on my studies

I just wish it was more clear

So you don’t want the women walking around bleeding everywhere they go during their periods or after birth. So they made it a “law” for women to stay in certain places so the town won’t get blood and afterbirth all over it.

Remember, you’re reading in the Bible when all these sanitary standards we have today were being created and written down. Look at Leviticus and how it tells you to wash your hands, and clean up open sores you have.

The KJV calls every skin issue “leprosy” in the OT. A pimple is leprosy, a bruise is leprosy, etc. The Leviticus instructions give basic sanitary standards for healthcare. Wash your wounds, wash your hands, clean bloody clothes, etc.

To circle back... Women were made, by the laws of Moses, to stay away from society at large after giving birth so all that afterbirth stuff that comes out won’t be all over the streets and people’s shop floors and stuff. The reason for the animal sacrifice isn’t something I’ve delved in to, so someone else will have to help you there.

Why aren't you Catholic?

Don’t like Mexicans.

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Kidding...

I’ve just never felt the reason to go to one honestly.

The only real difference I’ve seen from Rags and some of the other guys from my church is the pope and apostolic succession.

They’ve never taught Mary’s immaculate conception, but I’ve never had the idea to ask either.

All the pastors at my independent baptist church have had doctorates in theology from different colleges. So I haven’t had much reason to doubt their messages at church.

Okay.

Because Protestant, I know that isn’t the case at every church. So instead of being able to look at the Vatican and making sure the church is grounded in proper doctrine, you have to ask the pastor(s) themselves specific questions about their theological stances.