Message from @Deleted User

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2019-06-09 01:08:32 UTC  

Yet Catholics are tolerant of Orthodox.

2019-06-09 01:08:33 UTC  

Not in that sense

2019-06-09 01:09:37 UTC  

They don't believe that catholics are doomed(going to hell), but their hardships befall to them because of the papacy.

2019-06-09 01:11:17 UTC  

From both sides have been made movements to calm the winds, especially with the Pope you guys had in 2001 and the winds are calmer

2019-06-09 01:11:35 UTC  

because of him trying to get on the good side of Orthodoxism

2019-06-09 01:14:26 UTC  

It's still not possible for a Catholic to receive communion in Eastern Orthodox church as far as I know though

2019-06-09 01:15:49 UTC  

In the future maybe who knows maybe Eastern and West will have a communion

2019-06-09 01:21:09 UTC  

Catholic Rule: Catholics can take communion in an Orthodox Church, Orthodox can take communion in a Catholic Church

Orthodox Rule: Catholics cannot take communion in an Orthodox Church; Orthodox cannot take communion in a Catholic Church

2019-06-09 02:00:17 UTC  

@Deleted User @Deleted User that’s my understanding of original sin as well. We didn’t commit the sin ourselves, so in that sense we aren’t guilty of it, but we do suffer the consequences of the original sin (i.e. we die)

2019-06-09 02:12:18 UTC  

To cause the schism... did the pope try to exert his power/authority over the east and they pulled an Anglican move and just said “lol no, we’ll be our own pope”?

2019-06-09 02:15:23 UTC  

Sorta kinda

2019-06-09 02:17:19 UTC  

Normans took southern Italy, which had belonged to the ERE

2019-06-09 02:18:40 UTC  

Pope asked for help from the emperor

2019-06-09 02:18:54 UTC  

So the emperor got an idea for east and west to fight together

2019-06-09 02:19:37 UTC  

But there was a guy who wanted to be Pope, whose letter was included with that

2019-06-09 02:20:29 UTC  

Pope told him no, I'm Pope, not you

2019-06-09 02:21:17 UTC  

So wannabe pope excommunicated the messenger, and the messenger excommunicated him

2019-06-09 02:22:48 UTC  

And then with the Massacre of the Latins, the 4th Crusade, etc made it worse

2019-06-09 02:24:10 UTC  

Probably in 1054 nobody really cared about this and it didn't seem like a big deal or very permanent

2019-06-09 02:34:15 UTC  

@Deleted User thank you for that article about leavened bread. I am now okay with leavened bread for Orthodox Communion.

2019-06-09 02:46:42 UTC  

Eastern Catholic use leavened bread

2019-06-09 02:47:02 UTC  

It's not a matter of faith, both have validity and spiritual basis

2019-06-09 02:54:34 UTC  

Byzantine Rite also don't use the filioque

2019-06-09 03:33:49 UTC  

What’s filioque?

2019-06-09 03:37:37 UTC  

Also... I forgot to ask for clarity on what was meant by the immaculate conception. I know Mary was a virgin before, during, and after birth. After birth, meaning she “remained a virgin” after Jesus came out of her at the minimum. Was there some other part of IC I’m missing?

2019-06-09 04:18:30 UTC  

Immaculate Conception means that Mary was conceived immaculately to save her from original sin so that she would be made ready to give birth to Jesus.

2019-06-09 04:18:49 UTC  

Now if this is true, then why doesn't God make everyone ready the same as Mary was? Or even Christ.

2019-06-09 04:19:14 UTC  

Why can't Christ just be conceived immaculately like Mary was? There are so many questions regarding it, and Orthodox Christians reject this.

2019-06-09 04:21:40 UTC  

Luke 2:24 is evidence that she had to be consecrated as well after giving birth.

2019-06-09 04:26:21 UTC  

Read Leviticus 12:8

2019-06-09 04:26:28 UTC  

And then read Luke 2:24

2019-06-09 04:29:29 UTC  

Unless @Deleted User can accurately rebuttal this

2019-06-09 05:07:18 UTC  

Oh... as in Mary was born without original sin, so she could give birth to a sinless Jesus. Is that what you’re saying?

2019-06-09 05:12:06 UTC  

Jesus came to fulfill the law, not abolish it. That was part of the law from Moses to offer the sacrifice after giving birth.

2019-06-09 05:12:35 UTC  

Doesn’t necessarily contradict her being sinless.

2019-06-09 05:14:44 UTC  

I know.

2019-06-09 05:14:46 UTC  

You probably don’t know this, because you don’t have kids, but women bleed a lot after giving birth. They sent us home with a bunch of adult diaper type things to catch all the blood and stuff that comes out after a baby come out of you.

2019-06-09 05:15:03 UTC  

oof

2019-06-09 05:15:30 UTC  

The woman being “unclean” has a lot more to do with physical health and hygiene than it does spiritual cleanliness.

2019-06-09 05:15:42 UTC  

True.

2019-06-09 05:15:52 UTC  

They didn’t exactly have period pads and disposable diapers 🤣