Message from @JustTom
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It is a starting point, Tom. If we couldn't agree on the 19th Amendment there's be no point in further discussion. I think in the end we'll be pretty close to agreeing, but I wanted to make sure we at least could agree that men and women as political entities and sovereign individuals had the same innate worth.
Fair enough. We probably do have the same end point, just alternate opening points of the topic.
or close enough to the same end point, as long as we both agree modern feminism has gone too far and their continued push to take more "rights" is absurd and clashes with the ideals of meritocracy.
So, next up. Do you believe that women should have equal access to the public school system? Again, it's been only in the last 100 years that this has been true consistently.
We do, Tom. I just want to make sure we don't throw the baby out with the bathwater.
Equal access and equal rights. Of course. Meritocracy fully supports that. And 100 years ago, that meant more women needed a leg up. In modern society though, it has, again, gone too far, and now men are very openly being discriminated against.
Yes, discrimination is now happening both ways, which has been quite the surprise to some people.
That doesn't make it right
we need to stop fighting on federal level for a lot of these things and put that power back to the states
See, all this society stuff really sucks. Really should just go back to Paleolithic caveman times /s
Meritocracy, at its core, hates discrimination in all its forms. Because discrimination is the act of taking away that equal starting point that everyone deserves in a balanced, merit based society.
Oh, you mean there's a 10th Amendment, @Grenade123 ?
You'd never know it
XD
Yes, the 10th ammendment, that gives us all the right to go back to Peleolitich caveman times. π
we have a Constitution? Since when?
If you ever want to see how trucks can be driven through loopholes, just watch the traffic flying past the interstate commerce clause
Wait, so people haven't realized it's a false flag?
oh well
realized? you mean are pushing its not
No evidence of such
The revolutionary war was a British false flag, weβre still British colonies
So back to feminism and meritocracy.
Had to go old skool on that one. π
So we agree women should be able to vote and attend public school. Do we agree that they should have equal access to university programs and the professions?
Equal access, yes. Not equal representation.
All these things have been flaming feminist causes within the past 100 years
@DrYuriMom i'm afraid the people of our fair country don't understand the importance of freedom of association and why giving power to the states helps protect that freedom and allows everyone to get along better. They would instead rather be ignorant and let nefarious of just straight up idiotic people erode that right and cement authoritarian power in the federal government.
I never said equal representation. I said equal access.
Modern feminisms are demanding equal representation. That's where my complaint of them stems from, and why I say modern feminists are in contradiction to meritocracy.
Personally, I think applications should be given numbers and cleansed of race and sex identifiers. Then decisions get made by committees that are blinded to that data.
they tried that, didn't it end up being sexist AND racist
There are feminists and there are feminists, sir
"sexist" and "racist"
just like Amazons bot learned "female" was somehow "bad" for the job
@Grenade123 and @DrYuriMom - Yes they did try that. They went a step beyond, they tried it with a computer that specifically was not told the sex or race of any applicants. The amazon bots example was only one of the more recent/more heavily publicized times that this occured.
No surprise I'm a woman. I'm college educated and a professional with board certification and a license to practice in several states. I'm kinda attached to my achievements but they were all based on merit. My tests were the same as the boys and I rocked them.
I'm glad I had the opportunity to achieve this
100 years ago, I might not have
So to the feminists of days past, I raise a glass