@DrYuriMom Interesting reading up on some of this, a lot of this happened while I was very young, and I don't think it quite fits in compared to modern politics.

I believe I'm going to still hold the stance that this group was in no way supported by the mainstream the way Antifa was though.

Would you oppose that statement?

I have no problem with people saying it would be better if gay people weren't gay

I won't disagree, although I still maintain violence has never had mainstream acceptance. We have some dimwit Dems intimating violence is okay, but then we have the President saying it to. It gets messy.

Cat it is easy for you to say "I have no problem with people saying it would be better if gay people weren't gay". The reality today is, that if you say this you stand a good chance to be fired.

Honestly, my life would have been much more convenient if I hadn't had my wires crossed

Where I separate from the left is that I am not homonormative

The problem now a days is people are calling everyone a NAZI so really a lot of people don't give a F anymore.

And there again is where I fault you at @DrYuriMom , if you look at all the news reports surrounding early antifa riots, the mainstream news was very clearly on their side, and acting as a rallying cry in favor of most of their actions, always faulting that it was some "Hate Speech Activist" that they were protesting.

I fully acknowledge that male on female attraction, and vice versa, is normal and best for the species

I honestly hate the "normal" debate most of all

I'll get back to you in a minute Tom

@Beemann , my point exactly!

If I say I don't agree with climate change as stated by Al Gore, I get called a NAZI

I point out that people don't actaully like paying taxes, "You NAZI!"

There was some poor rhetoric from Trump, he supported some stuff he shouldn't have. But has that behavior continued since he became President?

Whether or not I am normal, I am me. I can't help the way I am. I was wired this way; it was not a choice. So pity me. Disagree with me. But please let me live my life the best way I can manage and don't punish me for what I am.

I'm honestly unaware of that.

No, of course not.

We punish people for what they *do*, not what they *are*.

@Khanclansith , I've never called someone a NAZI who was not actually a NAZI, either self-identified or through clear connections in 1930/40 Germany.

I'm a historian, it's fine to call Nazis Nazis. :p

@DrYuriMom That's offensive. You can't call nazis nazis. Didn't you know that Battlefield5, set in WW2, has banned the word Nazi for being offensive!

@JustTom , maybe we don;t see a riot the same way. Were marches and non-violent civil disobedience riots?

@DrYuriMom I have studied the rise of Facism, National Socialism and have done presentations on preventing it's return. Which is why I am frustrated by the fact that those that who claim to be "Anti-Facist" behave so close to the NSDAP- SA of the 1920-30s

Oh, Tom, tell me you're joking.

I'm not. The word Nazi is banned in BF5.

They seriously dodged using Nazi in a WW2 combat game?

There was a lot of that early on. That said, there were also cars burned in DC on inauguration day and I think everyone decried that.

Trump jokingly saying to body slam a reporter is bad and may radicalize someone. But does not calling 50% of the people Nazis, racists, deplorable do even more damage?

I never even heard of the inauguration day riots until Tim mentioned them.

It was glossed over by the news @Atkins

Yeah, Tim was on it, a few other people were. Not nearly as loud as it should have been though.

@TraderPropShop , yeah. Again, that's why I am here and not on the left with my "natural allies"

The Libertarians are your true allies.

If they didn't want the gold standard, I'd agree with you

@DrYuriMom https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pi_vX0tknJM
Antifa early riots against a Jewish Free Speech advocate.
Tell me where the line between riot and "non-violent civil disobedience" is please.

Libertarians are kooky in ways that make the Dems make sense

I'll level with you, the Republicans are too married to conservative Christian factions to give you everything you want, at least for the next generation or two.

I know that, @Bookworm . That's my problem.

Ohh Cat, you don't like fixed money, i.e. gold?

I don't want the left but the right doesn't want me.