Blame employers, not Dems

I blame both.

If the laws were actually enforced there wouldn't be a financial incentive

No demand, no supply. I'm a demand-sider by the way.

E-verify and if you higher an illegal you pay big time, problem solved.

My (Republican) next door neighbor hires illegals to work his beautiful yard

He did the same for his lovely patio

Sure, fine him.

or her.

report them. no mercy.

I'm not the authorities but i thought it was ironic. Same with Trump wanting migrant help for his resorts while trying to dry up immigration

Have a self funding bounty system... the solution is simple if it was done.

Why a bounty system. Just don't hire them.

But business will never do it

Well maybe not necessary, but to ensure it is enforced ...

It's like guns. Enforce the laws we have before we make new ones.

True ... a good start.

The wall however is only because of lack of enforcement, waste of money.

lack of the will to enforce ... I should say.

The current atmosphere against immigrants is creating a poisonous atmosphere for brown people who belong here. It's why I don't like ideas like bounties and the like. Too easy to be abused.

Just require everyone to be checked on hire, whether white, red, yellow, brown or black.

Just always do it. No exceptions, and massive fines for businesses that don't.

You could make it reciprocal, if you make false claims you pay too.

Hmm,. interesting idea.

I'm fine with maintaining our borders. I'm fine with controlling immigration. I just don't want to fan the flames of prejudice in the process. I also think we need to actually get back to governing so that we can design a rational immigration system.

Just like we need to get back to governing so that we can work out a rational health care system

And a rational miliary

Yes, but I think we can all agree that we can't enforce an immigration policy until we have the power to control who crosses our borders.

So much needs to be done after nearly 30 years of absent governance

I doubt anything will change ...

I don't disagree, bookworm.

i don't believe that the democratic leadership wants to control the border.

As long as we do it without maligning everyone with brown skin and eyes and black hair

they're going to have to seriously change their tune before i give them any level of trust on that.

Of course not. Just some of them.

@Atkins , it's part of the tribalism. That's part of their coalition.

their coalition has to be broken then

their electoral prospects need to be dashed so they kick out the crazies and reform.

it's vital, because it won't take ten years before the republicans are corrupt and useless

Again, it's like the Republicans in 2009. Making Obama a one-term president was more important than governing. Now it's the Dems who are saying the same thing about Trump.

I really believe it is a lost cause. It will have to ht bottom somehow, and let's hope those that pick up the pieces afterward do well.