Message from @AdorableStormtrooper

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2018-10-30 13:01:26 UTC  

@Timcast If you do something on this birthright citizenship thing, this seems to be the op-ed that spawned all the chatter. Might be worth a read. There's all sorts of immediate responses from across the board (mostly negative) which should be easy to find by looking for keywords like the author.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/citizenship-shouldnt-be-a-birthright/2018/07/18/7d0e2998-8912-11e8-85ae-511bc1146b0b_story.html?utm_term=.e7696aaeeff5

Most of the debate on the 14th amendment implications are going to be "on the right." Here's contrasting opinions from the Federalist Society on the legality of birthright citizenship (years before the op-ed had been authored, when this was merely an academic point for debate).

https://fedsoc.org/commentary/publications/birthright-citizenship-two-perspectives.

Alot of the legal debate seems to stem over the fact that children of ambassadors and the like *do not* get birthright citizenship. It should be noted the Federalist Society is very originalist and textualist, so there tends to be a good deal of argument about the issues of the day with the amendment was passed. Put another way, alot of the argument appears to be over the meaning of "subject to the jurisdiction thereof."

I'm not going to take a position on this issue (moral or legal), though I lean in the direction that the executive order probably won't survive on a practical level regardless of opinions of the matter.

2018-10-30 15:24:35 UTC  

I'm pretty apathetic on this one, myself.

2018-10-30 15:26:45 UTC  

https://youtu.be/_nLPsFeSw4Y this is what I advocate for these days. Anything else is just a distraction.

2018-10-30 15:47:31 UTC  

Or China's or the EU, or Russia

2018-10-30 16:01:13 UTC  

'twas discussed in <#463068752725016579>

2018-10-30 16:01:44 UTC  

tldr Austria has strict blasphemy laws, EU doesn't overrule them with <:FreezePeach:420711837542383636>

2018-10-30 16:16:00 UTC  

Yep. So, by the same token, you couldn't insult religious figures in Catholic, Protestant, Buddhist or other groups.

2018-10-30 16:16:05 UTC  

The Buddha is stupid.

2018-10-30 16:16:08 UTC  

Take that, Austria.

2018-10-30 16:51:11 UTC  

```Yep. So, by the same token, you couldn't insult religious figures in Catholic, Protestant, Buddhist or other groups.```

do they really invoke these laws in Austria when people criticize Catholics.. idk, but i doubt that. @Bookworm

2018-10-30 17:01:18 UTC  

ofc they do lol, austria is a majority catholic country

2018-10-30 17:01:43 UTC  

the cases aren't usually publicised, this one was special cause it went to the EU courts

2018-10-30 17:01:59 UTC  

are you from austria?

2018-10-30 17:02:02 UTC  

(and cause ppl want to use it to spread panic about islamification)

2018-10-30 17:02:06 UTC  

nope, germany

2018-10-30 17:02:27 UTC  

can you cite some cases from recent? you seem sure

2018-10-30 17:02:54 UTC  

“ Instagram is the Alt-Right’s new favorite haven “ by Will Sommer on the Daily Beast

Gab refugees move to Instagram while the website rebuilds itself. The media is now targeting them by putting pressure on the “ haven” . Expect this to happen everywhere.

http://archive.today/G7rN1

2018-10-30 17:03:17 UTC  

what happened to Gab?

2018-10-30 17:04:35 UTC  

it would be hilarious if instagram would go down too 😄

2018-10-30 17:04:59 UTC  

the only two cases that got international attention were Manfred Deix, and Gerhard Haderer
both for criticising Jesus and Christianity, both got convicted but won the appeal

2018-10-30 17:04:59 UTC  

this would bring censorship to the 'masses'

2018-10-30 17:05:28 UTC  

@shinsoo any citation? what year was this in?

2018-10-30 17:07:00 UTC  

1994, 2003

2018-10-30 17:08:08 UTC  

gtg, i'll look for an article on Haderer later

2018-10-30 17:10:35 UTC  

trump to remove birthright citizenship in spite of constitution

2018-10-30 17:10:51 UTC  

@AdorableStormtrooper the short answer to what happened is this.

Gab has been Alex Jonesed

The media, Big Tech, and activists are trying to erase it from the internet.

2018-10-30 17:11:51 UTC  

they're really going Authoritarian while they have the power right now

2018-10-30 17:12:27 UTC  

Holy fucking shit, this is the 5th time someone brought up the birthright thing

2018-10-30 17:12:35 UTC  

Is it really that big?

2018-10-30 17:12:37 UTC  

Full blown. Ultimately they will fail. But things will be bad for years.

2018-10-30 17:12:50 UTC  

one would think that contradicting the constitution would be a big deal

2018-10-30 17:13:27 UTC  

And you get people trying to ban guns by quoting their own definition of the constitutions.

2018-10-30 17:13:29 UTC  

It’s going to get stalled in the courts regardless. It’s a wast of time

2018-10-30 17:13:31 UTC  

So basically, another day