Message from @Grenade123
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The way it's posed makes it seem like it'd be "free", but it's anything but
It's mostly stuff that Bastiat would've called "the unseen"
So, let's say it costs us comfort and prosperity in the future
But hey, people aren't dying for health stuff, right?
I can see how that would persuade someone who holds a simple "Life > material goods/comfort" value
However
What about...the lives that would've been saved from new medical procedures that didn't come about because there's not enough left over to pursue them?
Or the technological innovations that would otherwise do this (e.g. in-home heating helps save lots of elderly lives in the winter)?
So ultimately you're trading some kinds of lives for others
And the question is: why are some more important than others?
why are others more important than yourself?
That _is_ e decision that sometimes has to be made
Do you want to make it now, for all time, for everyone?
anyone who proposes force, should assume that force would be used on them unwillingly at some point
If you're talking about single payer, people still die for "health stuff"
yes, but do less people die?
fewer* /troll
more? unchanged? can we even compare?
Hard to tell. I know only a right wing org has done any sort of study here
But our rates in Canada in that study were pretty close to the same as the US', per capita
Because our hospitals are poorly funded and overpopulated basically
I think you spend more per person but have way more advanced shit overall
And AFAIK, doctors from the US and Canada operating in unlicensed practices just across the Mexican border charge less and make more for about the same quality of care
i really think to get costs down, having the option to be unlicensed so long as the fact you are unlicensed is disclosed, might be an option to help get costs down, as well as other such regulations.
make those regulations something less "pay stupid amounts of time and money because we say so" and instead say you have more protections from things like lawsuits and the like
but anyone caught not disclosing will be treated like those current doing the same thing now
where they claim to be licensed but are nt
The bureaucracy is pretty staggering
They also change what counts for what on an at-least-annual basis
And I _think_ some of that comes from federal regulation, but am not sure
Also America has better payouts and success rates for malpractice
By a pretty alarming margine
pretty sure most doctors have to "charge" and amount so they can give insurance companies a discount too
well of course, you can't sue the government for something and win
Ye
I meant things like, which kinds of cases count as which kinds of coverage
the government defines what malpractice even is
MY mom is in medical charge entry
It's a nightmare