Message from @velvitonator
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In actuality, most if not all of them
The recent crashes were bad, but not _that_ bad
not that bad because our standard of living goes up all the time regardless
tech keeps bringing costs down but thats not the problem we are trying to solve is it?
we are trying to figure out what to do while we wait on technology
also, lets go back to your assumption that people don't drain resources faster than they are remade by people: Look at the number of drug addicted people and overweight people in the US.
if you give them no incentive to wise up, their healthcare costs are going to tax the system
if not already
and start to drain faster than resources are replaced
and that assumes those who are constantly having their resources taken by force, don't just leave
Whether it would be affordable is an empirical matter, I think
So long as we're steelmanning: what if it turns out to be?
IMO the real question there is : what are we giving up?
The way it's posed makes it seem like it'd be "free", but it's anything but
It's mostly stuff that Bastiat would've called "the unseen"
So, let's say it costs us comfort and prosperity in the future
But hey, people aren't dying for health stuff, right?
I can see how that would persuade someone who holds a simple "Life > material goods/comfort" value
However
What about...the lives that would've been saved from new medical procedures that didn't come about because there's not enough left over to pursue them?
Or the technological innovations that would otherwise do this (e.g. in-home heating helps save lots of elderly lives in the winter)?
So ultimately you're trading some kinds of lives for others
And the question is: why are some more important than others?
why are others more important than yourself?
That _is_ e decision that sometimes has to be made
Do you want to make it now, for all time, for everyone?
anyone who proposes force, should assume that force would be used on them unwillingly at some point
If you're talking about single payer, people still die for "health stuff"
yes, but do less people die?
fewer* /troll
more? unchanged? can we even compare?
Hard to tell. I know only a right wing org has done any sort of study here
But our rates in Canada in that study were pretty close to the same as the US', per capita
but we send more per person don;t we?
Because our hospitals are poorly funded and overpopulated basically
I think you spend more per person but have way more advanced shit overall
And AFAIK, doctors from the US and Canada operating in unlicensed practices just across the Mexican border charge less and make more for about the same quality of care
i really think to get costs down, having the option to be unlicensed so long as the fact you are unlicensed is disclosed, might be an option to help get costs down, as well as other such regulations.
make those regulations something less "pay stupid amounts of time and money because we say so" and instead say you have more protections from things like lawsuits and the like
but anyone caught not disclosing will be treated like those current doing the same thing now