currently my alcohol is fixed in CT. so much so Trader Joes can;t sell their 2 dollar wine. the price fix forces it to be like 9 bucks.

Has anyone proposed fixing the price of health stuffs?

but you didn't asnwer, how often does the economy decline?

In the real world?

yes

how many economic increases keep increasing?

and are not met, eventually, with a crash of near equal proportion

In actuality, most if not all of them

The recent crashes were bad, but not _that_ bad

not that bad because our standard of living goes up all the time regardless

tech keeps bringing costs down but thats not the problem we are trying to solve is it?

we are trying to figure out what to do while we wait on technology

also, lets go back to your assumption that people don't drain resources faster than they are remade by people: Look at the number of drug addicted people and overweight people in the US.

if you give them no incentive to wise up, their healthcare costs are going to tax the system

if not already

and start to drain faster than resources are replaced

and that assumes those who are constantly having their resources taken by force, don't just leave

Whether it would be affordable is an empirical matter, I think

So long as we're steelmanning: what if it turns out to be?

IMO the real question there is : what are we giving up?

The way it's posed makes it seem like it'd be "free", but it's anything but

It's mostly stuff that Bastiat would've called "the unseen"

So, let's say it costs us comfort and prosperity in the future

But hey, people aren't dying for health stuff, right?

I can see how that would persuade someone who holds a simple "Life > material goods/comfort" value

However

What about...the lives that would've been saved from new medical procedures that didn't come about because there's not enough left over to pursue them?

Or the technological innovations that would otherwise do this (e.g. in-home heating helps save lots of elderly lives in the winter)?

So ultimately you're trading some kinds of lives for others

And the question is: why are some more important than others?

why are others more important than yourself?

That _is_ e decision that sometimes has to be made

Do you want to make it now, for all time, for everyone?

anyone who proposes force, should assume that force would be used on them unwillingly at some point

If you're talking about single payer, people still die for "health stuff"

yes, but do less people die?

fewer* /troll

more? unchanged? can we even compare?

Hard to tell. I know only a right wing org has done any sort of study here

But our rates in Canada in that study were pretty close to the same as the US', per capita

but we send more per person don;t we?