Message from @Mimi

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2018-11-16 10:56:14 UTC  

it's pretty simple to coin something a massacre if you look at how it plays out. It's not a very broad term, it just has one simple definition.

2018-11-16 10:57:03 UTC  

You are criticizing him for using the wrong term for an emotionally loaded concept. If this is emotional nuance, that seems pedantic.

2018-11-16 10:57:31 UTC  

The simple condition was that innocent people die?

2018-11-16 10:57:33 UTC  

That is it?

2018-11-16 10:57:45 UTC  

Every war is a massacre then.

2018-11-16 10:58:02 UTC  

A massacre is defined as 'the act or instance of killing a number of usually helpless or unresisting human beings under the circumstances of atrocity or cruelty'

2018-11-16 10:58:16 UTC  

under the circumstances of?

2018-11-16 10:58:20 UTC  

You made this up yourself.

2018-11-16 10:58:23 UTC  

And yes, many wars DO have massacres in them, in which innocent people are lined up and shot, burned alive, etc.

2018-11-16 10:58:27 UTC  

This is so poorly worded, I'm sorry.

2018-11-16 10:58:49 UTC  

The grammar in the definition is almost cringe inducing. Where is this from?

2018-11-16 10:59:14 UTC  

It's needlessly circumlocute and verbose.

2018-11-16 10:59:39 UTC  

you should check your dms, I'm not allowed to send screenshots in this server. Dictionary.com

2018-11-16 10:59:48 UTC  

Most definitions vary in their wording, but the concept is the same throughout

2018-11-16 11:00:16 UTC  

and no, I'm not thinking with emotion.

2018-11-16 11:00:18 UTC  

Well, if this is from Dictionary.com, then I am very surprised.

2018-11-16 11:00:51 UTC  

wasn't expecting that embed to have that image.. i'll fix it

2018-11-16 11:00:58 UTC  

massacre (v): "deliberately and violently kill (a large number of people)."

2018-11-16 11:01:16 UTC  

That definition is so broad as to encompass virtually any war.

2018-11-16 11:01:19 UTC  

Just looking at what happened at wounded knee would technically classify this as a massacre, just as massacres happened in vietnam, and all the way back to the times of rome.

2018-11-16 11:01:36 UTC  

So using the term war or battle instead of massacre is a distinction of emotional nuance.

2018-11-16 11:01:45 UTC  

which is why I found you a more concise and appropriate term.

2018-11-16 11:02:01 UTC  

What you appear to criticize him on is the use of a term with the wrong emotional nuance. You appear to have no factual leg to stand on whatsoever.

2018-11-16 11:02:02 UTC  

It's purposeful slaughtering of civilians

2018-11-16 11:02:24 UTC  

yet for some reason, no matter how many times I point said difference out, you refuse to even acknowledge it.

2018-11-16 11:02:29 UTC  

I made my point and I see no new argument.

2018-11-16 11:02:36 UTC  

Sorry, I am done.

2018-11-16 11:02:38 UTC  

that's the difference.

2018-11-16 11:02:45 UTC  

I think I won.

2018-11-16 11:03:32 UTC  

You can think that, but in reality you're very wrong. You've basically ignored me pointing out the actual definition of my terms, and continued to point the finger of 'emotional nuance'

2018-11-16 11:03:36 UTC  

Anyway. This is the closest one can get to winning an Internet argument, so let me just declare myself the winner.

2018-11-16 11:03:39 UTC  

it doesn't mean civiliians specifically, its excessive killing in a short time frame.

2018-11-16 11:04:09 UTC  

Haunted, usually it's on civilians though, or disarmed soldiers. people who can't fight back.

2018-11-16 11:04:32 UTC  

He who declares himself the victor is usually the prideful, ignorant one.

2018-11-16 11:04:43 UTC  

well yes, but the definition of the word isn't that focused.

2018-11-16 11:05:12 UTC  

you could indiscrimanately massacre an entire army.

2018-11-16 11:05:25 UTC  

Would you not agree though, that Wounded Knee was a massacre, and to undermine the gravity of what happened that day is historically faulty?

2018-11-16 11:06:05 UTC  

idk what wounded knee is

2018-11-16 11:06:25 UTC  

a bunch of native american women, men and children were shot down during a conflict with the US Army.

2018-11-16 11:06:39 UTC  

some were warriors, yes, but there were also civilians.