Message from @Pendell

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2018-11-16 18:36:36 UTC  

Legality didn't originate from concensus

2018-11-16 18:36:48 UTC  

Law originated from dictate.

2018-11-16 18:40:07 UTC  

And that dictate implies rights held by at least one individual.

2018-11-16 18:40:48 UTC  

Law does not establish the rights, it recognizes them, or suppresses them.

2018-11-16 18:58:00 UTC  

I think I found my/our answer:

2018-11-16 18:58:32 UTC  

I was churning on this for quite a while, and having no rights is just as much a might makes right world as one would be without morals

2018-11-16 18:58:47 UTC  

our rights should come from the same place where our morals come from -wherever that is

2018-11-16 18:59:15 UTC  

and, i think we can argue where our morals come from, which was not too far removed from deriving them from our nature/physical reality

2018-11-16 18:59:58 UTC  

we are a social species and even physiologically, we are endowed with mirror neurons and so forth. we have a strong sense of what it means to be social and dysfunction/psychopathy

2018-11-16 19:00:13 UTC  

that might have changed greatly over time, but there are some principles that have been relatively immutable

2018-11-16 19:01:00 UTC  

I am still working on it, but I think one can start making a case for universal morality and thus universal rights from that angle. It's still a bit vague

2018-11-16 19:01:24 UTC  

stefan molyneux had made a similar argument for his universal morality

2018-11-16 19:03:17 UTC  

I think that's a good path.

2018-11-16 19:03:45 UTC  

I think it's worth communicating what I consider a right.

2018-11-16 19:05:49 UTC  

So, I'm where the founders were. I believe there are three prime rights, life liberty and property.

2018-11-16 19:08:21 UTC  

So, breathing is a right. Let's start there.

2018-11-16 19:10:51 UTC  

Self defense finds itself under liberty and life

2018-11-16 19:11:24 UTC  

If something is going to kill you, it is your right to try to avoid it.

2018-11-16 19:11:57 UTC  

i guess the pursuit of happiness falls under liberty?

2018-11-16 19:12:52 UTC  

Pursuit of happiness is the declaration. It's humorous to consider, but the declaration isn't a legal document, it was an open 'dear john' letter to the king.

2018-11-16 19:16:49 UTC  

lol

2018-11-16 19:17:03 UTC  

i do declare, f*ck off

2018-11-16 19:19:56 UTC  

I can put a finer point on my argument earlier... The Press as we know it was intended to be the realization of the Freedom of the press, not the beneficiary.

2018-11-16 19:21:03 UTC  

The argument being floated in favor of Jim is that the media owns the freedom, implying that the commoner doesn't.

2018-11-16 19:22:43 UTC  

There is, in fact, explicitly no rank in government that is not that of a commoner, and yet we're allowing the media to encroach where our government leaders already have as well.

2018-11-16 19:23:25 UTC  

Equality is shot when you consider that congress can make rules that don't apply to them. But that's another subject.

2018-11-16 20:27:13 UTC  

That 28th amendment thing doesn't seem like a bad idea

2018-11-16 20:29:12 UTC  

Also that nbc article is awful, he literally made a joke that requires you don't agree with Nazis to find funny

2018-11-16 20:30:30 UTC  

"I don't want you to think I'm picking on you because we're part of the master race"

2018-11-16 20:30:59 UTC  

Ikr?

2018-11-16 20:31:10 UTC  

It was a dig at identity politics

2018-11-16 20:31:32 UTC  

But of course, the intentional snowflakes go running

2018-11-16 21:00:24 UTC  

```Grenade123heute um 21:24 Uhr
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/white-kansas-official-tells-black-woman-he-belongs-master-race-n937076```
Well, he kinda has a point, hasn't he?
I mean you'd only want to move to Countrys made by caucasians, right?

2018-11-16 21:08:23 UTC  

Stopgap measures.

2018-11-16 21:09:04 UTC  

If you're going to make an amendment make it something big, like abolishing political parties.

2018-11-16 21:09:24 UTC  

That's not a too bad idea.

2018-11-16 21:09:36 UTC  

or make them small, regional

2018-11-16 21:12:18 UTC  

Allow for affiliation, requiring transparency, abolish campaign finance outside constituent boundaries

2018-11-16 21:12:31 UTC  

Oh nice.