Message from @Joe_Limon

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2018-11-21 20:21:21 UTC  

so the only thing left is religious freedom

2018-11-21 20:54:34 UTC  

Laws typically proscribe, not allow.

2018-11-21 20:55:13 UTC  

So, there would need to be a law banning, I don't know, medically unnecessary mutilation.

2018-11-21 20:55:45 UTC  

Which, among circumcision, would also stop most piercings.

2018-11-21 20:58:16 UTC  

My sons are not circumcized. The youngest one had an issue where his foreskin was too tight and painful to pull back/clean around. Surgery was an option that thankfully didn't need to happen as they now have ointments that help

2018-11-21 21:00:19 UTC  

I'm assuming there must be some law which proscribes cutting off pieces of your children, and I could understand how there could be an exception for male circumcision. Not that I agree with the practice but I can understand how it could be there due to historical norms. But I really can't believe there is an exception specifically for FGM.

2018-11-21 21:01:11 UTC  

I don't think there is? I believe a parent could have a portion of their child's ear hacked off, for example.

2018-11-21 21:02:14 UTC  

That is murkey water. You would need to write it so children can give blood samples, have their hair cut, teeth removed, nails trimmed, cancerous or infected growths removed etc.

2018-11-21 21:03:02 UTC  

No, I think most of those are pretty clear medical necessities.

2018-11-21 21:03:14 UTC  

The nature of hair and nails as unliving I think would stop it from being mutilation.

2018-11-21 21:03:28 UTC  

Your definition of necessity is different than mine

2018-11-21 21:03:36 UTC  

If you intend to make a permanent alteration to your child's body, it ought to be only under strict medical necessity.

2018-11-21 21:04:08 UTC  

Temporary alteration like haircuts are not that big of a deal.

2018-11-21 21:04:18 UTC  

It isn't medically necessary to remove teeth to avoid crowding and future dental deformities

2018-11-21 21:04:21 UTC  

If your mom gives you a dopey haircut you'll grow out of it.

2018-11-21 21:05:41 UTC  

I would be OK with letting some children choose to have fucked up teeth if it means some children are not forced to have their genitals mutilated.

2018-11-21 21:05:44 UTC  

It isn't medically necessary to do a blood test to find out if you have a nutrient deficiency

2018-11-21 21:06:39 UTC  

Having blood drawn does not permanently alter the body.

2018-11-21 21:07:25 UTC  

It could. What if the vial of blood you pull had a specific antibody that hadn't yet been recorded into the bodies immune system?

2018-11-21 21:08:44 UTC  

You're being silly now. I can appreciate it if you are intending to play devil's advocate, but if you are trying to form an argument as to why FGM should be permitted in the US, then I don't see the point of talking to you. That's not an area where I'm willing to compromise.

2018-11-21 21:09:37 UTC  

How is that silly? That bodily function happens many times a day especially for children.

2018-11-21 21:11:19 UTC  

The idea I want to impose on you is not that we shouldn't have laws on subjects such as these. But rather knee jerk reactions often have unintended side effects.

2018-11-21 21:12:18 UTC  

Yes, I did kind of throw that out as a quick spitball.

2018-11-21 21:12:35 UTC  

I am using the (probably unfounded) assumption that professional lawmakers would make a better law.

2018-11-21 21:13:14 UTC  

Many states have already passed laws so it's definitely possible.

2018-11-21 21:13:18 UTC  

These conversations although adversarial in nature are good

2018-11-22 04:33:41 UTC  
2018-11-22 04:34:36 UTC  

It is only a matter of time...

2018-11-22 04:46:11 UTC  

Are they counting loot boxes?

2018-11-22 04:47:48 UTC  

From the article
'Out of sight'
Gambling Commission executive director Tim Miller called for a "joined-up approach" to keep children safe.
"There's no doubt that today's figures on children and gambling should make people sit up and listen," he said.
"But while discussions about children gambling might conjure up images of kids sneaking into bookies or sitting alone on their iPad gambling on an online casino, our latest research paints a more complex picture.
"The most common activities that children gamble on are not licensed casinos, bingo providers or bookies.
"Instead we found children preferred to gamble in informal environments, out of sight of regulation - private bets between friends or playing cards with their mates for money."

2018-11-22 04:51:47 UTC  

Hmm

2018-11-22 04:54:56 UTC  

Though it is pulling the eyes of politicians more sharply towards lootboxs.

2018-11-22 05:45:52 UTC  

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/398858182455459853/515040196962811935/Screenshot_20181122-004543.png

2018-11-22 05:47:32 UTC  

@DrYuriMom the nominal number they give is very misleading given there were over 100 million less people in the u.s.

2018-11-22 05:50:11 UTC  

Voting age population looks to be about a 110 million difference

2018-11-22 06:14:56 UTC  

@ExceptionalFeather Ocasio-Cucktez?

2018-11-22 06:33:47 UTC  

57.5% to 40.7% for the actual margins in 1974

2018-11-22 07:00:18 UTC  

https://apnews.com/c7cfe11a42974e64a3d7f713511eb646

Sounds like they might have bystanders, but I can't tell. Would be yet another set of bystanders hit by Antifa last weekend.

2018-11-22 07:04:16 UTC  

rip antifa

2018-11-22 12:48:42 UTC  

Trump using Pelosi as a punching bag for the next 2 years is going to be hella entertaining